New Article on Fran!

[drsd]

drsd, where have you read that? I haven't come across anything like that before.

From Coon's FAQ:

When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA.

Vasquez was 2005, ie not prior to 2005, so he would be signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed.

I agree with this CBA FAQ quote. But I know I have read in several media outlets that there are alternatives. Unfortunately, I cannot recall where I read this. What seems very clear is that the O-Sen will run loads of these stories in the coming off-season. So I am taking a "hurry-up-and-wait" stance on the contract status of Vazquez.

[Howard Mass]

Well, if Vazquez were a 2nd round pick or a free agent, he could get more money but as a first round pick, he is locked into the scale.

[drsd]

Well, if Vazquez were a 2nd round pick or a free agent, he could get more money but as a first round pick, he is locked into the scale.

If this is true, then Fran Vazquez will never play for any NBA team. The money simply does not work out. In such an instance, this would cause a future change in the CBA (much as Gilbert Arenas did regarding Bird rights of a 2nd rounder). Of course none of that would help the Magic.

[Cammo101]

Orlando has to keep their pick this year. This draft is too deep not to. We are going to have a chance to add a very good player on the cheap here. There are plenty of guys at all 3 of our need positions. It would be a huge mistake to trade the pick.

[Big A All Day]

I will now refer to us as them Edging Magic.

LMAO @ Your Sig... Thats Classic

[Devin 1L]

drsd, where have you read that? I haven't come across anything like that before.

From Coon's FAQ:

When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA.

Vasquez was 2005, ie not prior to 2005, so he would be signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed.

He had said this before in the past (drsd), and I replied with basically the same thing that you did just now.

After looking into it further, there was some sort of loophole that I wasn't familiar with.

I'll see if I can find it sometime today. I was stunned, to say the least.

[Dwightmare]

So why would Fran want to opt out of his 7 million dollar contract to make 2 million in a foreign country?

you cant say its his burning to desire/dream to play in the NBA, so i just dont see it happening.

[magicfan4life05]

So why would Fran want to opt out of his 7 million dollar contract to make 2 million in a foreign country?

you cant say its his burning to desire/dream to play in the NBA, so i just dont see it happening.

maybe he wants to take a picture of jj's locker?

[magicman112]

Orlando has to keep their pick this year. This draft is too deep not to. We are going to have a chance to add a very good player on the cheap here. There are plenty of guys at all 3 of our need positions. It would be a huge mistake to trade the pick.

Even so we can't trade our pick this year since we traded ours last year. You can't trade 1st round picks in consecutive years. Now I think you can trade the player you take with the pick.....

[theTHIEF]

the only way we give up a pick in this draft is to move up if possible...i would be upset for us not to take someone in this particular draft...

[Devin 1L]

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Even so we can't trade our pick this year since we traded ours last year. You can't trade 1st round picks in consecutive years. Now I think you can trade the player you take with the pick.....

Yes, you can.

You can't trade picks in future consecutive seasons.

[TNMagicFan]

the only way we give up a pick in this draft is to move up if possible...i would be upset for us not to take someone in this particular draft...

Me too , we have a chance to get a quality player

[TheGlyde]

As far as I know its only 2nd round picks and foreign free agents that aren't bound by the rookie scale, so I'm keen to read about any loophole...

From what I've read Fran's contract is only for about 1.75million per year? he has 2 years left on it? with a $10+million buyout (ugh)

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... barcelona/

The rookie scale for this year would mean Fran would sign a deal worth 1.66mill in the first year and 1.79mill in the 2nd year (source)... Pretty much the same as he's making in Europe for the next 2 years? with more money in years 3 and 4 if his options were to be picked up (1.91mill & 2.5mill).

In theory, the 4 year rookie deal would give him more long term security and a higher average pay than his 2 remaining years in Europe, especially if he wants to get the big bucks past 2010 since by all reports he's stinking it up in Europe...

But the buyout had to be reduced as Fran won't fork over much of it, if any.

[Devin 1L]

As far as I know its only 2nd round picks and foreign free agents that aren't bound by the rookie scale, so I'm keen to read about any loophole...

From what I've read Fran's contract is only for about 1.75million per year? he has 2 years left on it? with a $10+million buyout (ugh)

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... barcelona/

The rookie scale for this year would mean Fran would sign a deal worth 1.66mill in the first year and 1.79mill in the 2nd year (source)... Pretty much the same as he's making in Europe for the next 2 years? with more money in years 3 and 4 if his options were to be picked up (1.91mill & 2.5mill).

In theory, the 4 year rookie deal would give him more long term security and a higher average pay than his 2 remaining years in Europe, especially if he wants to get the big bucks past 2010 since by all reports he's stinking it up in Europe...

But the buyout had to be reduced as Fran won't fork over much of it, if any.

Ok, I found the thread: Link

The link starts with drsd's post back in Oct. 07

There's only like 3 pages or so to scroll through, but the basic idea is that had we been under the cap this coming off-season, we could have negotiated a non-rookie scale deal with him since he was three years removed and hadn't played college ball.

I didn't think that we'd be able to swing it back then, and we can see now that we won't be able to do it (we'd have to be under the cap in an amount greater than the scale for the 11th pick this year. aka Not happenin'), but it's interesting nevertheless. I can't think of a time in which this was done though.

[TheGlyde]

Thanks dev, interesting, although yeah unfortunately irrelevant given the current state of our cap affairs.

There is however the 120% provision that I forgot about, which would raise the numbers from my above post to a rookie deal of:

Yr 1: 1.99mill
Yr 2: 2.15mill
Option year 3: 2.29mill
Option year 4: 3mill

Assuming he played well enough for the Magic to pick up his options, it would give him a 4 year deal of 9.43mill, average of around 2.36mill per season, which is 35% more than the 1.75mill per season the realgm wiretap says he is on currently in Europe.