and "points per shot" are not misleading? until you can factor in free throws into the equation, points per shot are even more flawed than FG%.
You probably will ignore this since you've ignored it twice already, but I'll give it a shot anyways: Go read my post concerning FT and pps, then report back to me. If you need more help, it's the 5th post down on page 38 of this thread.
As for pps being more flawed than FG%, is it because FG% somehow accounts for FTs? Good stuff.
melo4mvp brought up FG% becauses iverson is primarily a slasher and mid-range shooter. the majority of his shots come from within the paint...due to his inconsistent (and at times nonexistent) perimeter jumper.
a 42% FG career average is a little low, wouldn't you think???
What the heck does where a player takes a shot from have to do with when it's feasible to use fg% and when it's not? The only reason m4m brought it up was that was the only thing he could use to say something negative about Iverson's career.
You should also do some research before making statements. Iverson has a 44.4 fg% on jumpers. In comparison, Melo's shoots jumpers at a 42.1% clip, Kobe 45.8, McGrady 43.6, Lebron 39.8. Just sayin'.
If Iverson weren't always among the top 2-3 in FT attempts a game, then yes I would say the 42% is a bit low, but because he does take so many FTs, it's very excusable. Could it be better? Sure. Has it held his teams back? Hardly.
Also keep in mind that when Iverson has had potent offensive players around him (Webber, Melo), he's been around 45% which is very good especially considering the amount of FTs he takes. I'm sure you understand how being a very good offensive player next to inept offensive players can negatively effect your FG%.
you'd have to be incompetent if you didn't recognize that players like iverson and wade get free throw calls that most players don't get. slashers in general get more free throw calls than post-up guys like melo. I would blame the free throws on AI being a veteran, but wade averaged 16.2 free throw attempts per game in the finals at age 23. there is no veteran bias...just hand-check rules that make it easier for slasher to get to the free throw line.
Sorry, but saying he gets FTs just for "looking at the rim, and flailing his arms" wasn't going to cut it. At least this time you gave a reasonable response.
Just like you said earlier in response to someone saying Melo gets a lot of give-me baskets (i.e. alley-oops) hence his FG% is high. The same way, if because of Iverson's game he can get to the FT line more than an average player, that's to his credit, you can't try to take it away from him. So no matter what players like him and Wade do. No matter what kind of games they have, the fact of the matter is they consistently get to the line, game in and game out. Iverson's been doing it for 12 years.
it's pretty pathetic that AI has to depend on free throws though in his offensive game. how dependent is that? refs are mechanical and don't call the same call each game...
maybe that's a reason why is offensive game is so inconsistent.
I'm not sure if Iverson is too over-dependent on FTs as you'll only get a handful of games where he takes only a couple FT attempts. He gets to the line pretty consistently. Hasn't been a problem.
And again, you're trying to turn something good Iverson does to a negative. It would be like me saying it's pretty pathetic that Melo has to depend on alley-oops to have such a high FG%. Get the gist?
maybe in your own little world. in reality he is an inconsistent volume shooter who depends on getting to the line to boost his PPG average. when he's hot he'll shoot it. when he's not he'll shoot it. even worse is that even though he "claims" to be a shooting guard, he still dominates the ball and continues to stagnate offenses.
No, in reality, he ranks top 5 all time. In reality, in his prime he was vaunted as one of the best scorers of all-time, and definitely one of the best at the time. And one more time, I could say the same about Melo and depending on alley-oops to boost his ppg. Now how silly is that.
Continues to stagnate offenses. You can't get much more subjective. But since we're making subjecting comments anyways. The ball movement and the overall offense seems to flow pretty damn good when Melo goes out and JR comes in. And then when Melo comes back in, the ball movement decreases (especially when he gets the ball). It's true because I said so. Are you going to prove me wrong?
Are you beginning to see a trend in your types of arguments/responses? They're silly.
is AI not the same age as them? didn't AI come to denver hoping to "take a backseat to melo" and win a championship? what parts of his game has he compromised?
In the 3 seasons prior to coming to Denver, Iverson was averaging over 30 ppg. In Denver he's averaging 25-26. I think you're hurting because Iverson is averaging more ppg than Melo. I thought you quit caring about that? And if that's not the case, then on what grounds do you think that Iverson hasn't compromised his ppg coming to Denver?
Iverson is also averaging 19 shots per game. About 4-5 down from his career average and the number of shots he was taking in Philly. And that is the same amount as Pierce has given up since KG and Allen joined him. Pierce's ppg also dropped about the same amount as Iverson's.
Since joining Boston, Garnett's ppg have dropped 3.5.
Maybe the most telling stat. Pierce was taking .47 shots per minute on the floor before the other 2 joined him. Now he's taking .38. Iverson was taking .58 shots per minute, now at .45. Garnett was taking .45, now he's taking .42.
it's impossible for him not to dominate the ball. IMPOSSIBLE. even worse is that a guy who was GOD-GIFTED with the ability to penetrate at will can't even find the open guy after drawing the extra defender. how many times have I seen AI blow past his guy, draw an exra defender, still go for the shot, and when he realizes the shot isn't a good look, floats in the air behind the basket...lobbing some wild pass back into play.
Yet those wild passes back into play find his teammates wide open for 3 and/or enough space to drive when their defenders close in on them. Those are probably by accident though. Funny thing is he's second in the league in assists to 3 point shooters behind only Chris Paul. And that too on a team that lacks 3 point shooters in comparison to most teams. Go figure.
I find it funny how you call me a melo-lover when you are hugging AI's balls every single night.
Interesting you say that. This is a copy of what I said to Corona a week and a half ago in a PM:
"It's unfortunate that some guys (melo4mvp, archi) don't allow more room for people to talk about Melo in a more positive note more often. He's a heckavu player, but so is Iverson. They always keep everyone busy bringing Melo down from MJ status and raising Iverson from Boykins status. "
and unselfish guys on offense who just let AI chuck up every shot his heart desired. once brown left...and once mutombo left...how well did the AI-led sixers do???
Do you think just any player could carry his team to the finals allowing one player to "chuck up every shot his heart desired"? Believe it or not, Iverson is a special player.
The East was also stronger then than it is now. And the biggest reason for the downfall of the Sixers was rule changes and the fact that some of the players from the 2001 run were immediately overpaid (slowly putting us in cap hell), immediately let go because the FO refused to overpay them, and somes' careers essentially done from injuries taking their tolls. I remember Snow playing in the finals with a broken foot. Raja Bell (a rookie) having to play big minutes against Kobe in the finals due to injuries to our other wings (don't remember exactly what they were). And the best part, the team was 41-14 with Theo, and something like 14-13 with Mutombo that season. That kind of blows your whole theory away.
Bring something other than mindless rants to the table if you want a response after this. Otherwise I'm done wasting my time.
