Sources: NBA, NCAA hope to impose new age limit

[Teen Girl Squad]

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What makes you think that money goes to another player. If the Magic are over the cap and Bird rights are used that money is not allowed to be spent on other areas.

Someone can update me on this because I'm not a CBA nut but I think there a rule that will allow guys like Lebron, Dwight, Wade to opt out and get paid in excess of 20 million per in a few years. The amount of money that the league can save may even be bigger.

Whats funny is I think fans have almost more fun watching there young players mature than winning. I've seen those fans all over realgm. The guy that is more interested in watching some young kid play than a better veteran with zero upside. I'm not sure most fans would agree with not wanting to watch. In reality I don't see that happening all over the league.

I also like the fact that young players entering the league has made drafting more important. Phili for example would never have gotten Thaddeus Young if he played longer. He likely would have been a top 3-5 pick in the draft. There are a ton of players like that. Draft well player develop and you could have something special. Who cares they have to sit the bench a couple of years. You rather have a young prospect on the bench or some stiff that not going anywhere.

If the money is not going to that Max player then the teams will have the MLE to spend. If teams all go on a Max spending spree it just loweres the Lux tax threshold and forces more teams to pay more tax which goes to the teams to sign players. Simply put the same $$ are spent they just arent spent on the Rashard Lewises of the world. As a Pistons fan I would much rather have 4 10mill players than 2 Max players. Its foolish to put your eggs in 1 basket.

No player earning a MAX deal has won a ring. The only players with a Max deal that have won did so after being bought out from there orginal team/contract.

No doubt this is about money.

1. Stern wants to earn more money by having better players.
2. NCAA wants to earn more money by having better players
3. NBA wants to spend less money on busts.
4. NBA teams want more protection from busts so they can build better teams.

People who are in favor of a higher age group include
1. NBA teams
2. NBA vets
3. Stern
4. Fans of NBA teams

People who are opposed are
1. NCAA players
2. player wannabes
3. player families
4. possies
5. people who think they will play in the NBA
6. people who follow or are fans of certain player and dont care about the NBA

NBS vets are FAR from in favor of this idea. I am in favor of this idea overall but to think that its clearly favored by most parties is ignorant, of not only the feelings of the players but the complexities of the situation.

[amcoolio]

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not really though. the 90's were the dark ages imo.

You can't be serious. The 90's was the only time that the NBA became the best/most watched professional sports league in America, even outdoing the NFL. Then the strike in 99 happened, Jordan retired, stars became playing for money and fame rather than winning (Iverson, Vince, Kobe, Shaq (in LA years), TMac, list goes on and on), and it turned a lot of people off of the league. Now the NBA is a clear 3rd in terms of professional sports and is even way below college football and basketball and even NASCAR is gaining ground on the NBA.

[theTHIEF]

the 1990's saw the "i love this game" campaign....clearly not the dark ages...

[sp6r=underrated]

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What makes you think that money goes to another player. If the Magic are over the cap and Bird rights are used that money is not allowed to be spent on other areas.

Someone can update me on this because I'm not a CBA nut but I think there a rule that will allow guys like Lebron, Dwight, Wade to opt out and get paid in excess of 20 million per in a few years. The amount of money that the league can save may even be bigger.

Whats funny is I think fans have almost more fun watching there young players mature than winning. I've seen those fans all over realgm. The guy that is more interested in watching some young kid play than a better veteran with zero upside. I'm not sure most fans would agree with not wanting to watch. In reality I don't see that happening all over the league.

I also like the fact that young players entering the league has made drafting more important. Phili for example would never have gotten Thaddeus Young if he played longer. He likely would have been a top 3-5 pick in the draft. There are a ton of players like that. Draft well player develop and you could have something special. Who cares they have to sit the bench a couple of years. You rather have a young prospect on the bench or some stiff that not going anywhere.

If the money is not going to that Max player then the teams will have the MLE to spend. If teams all go on a Max spending spree it just loweres the Lux tax threshold and forces more teams to pay more tax which goes to the teams to sign players. Simply put the same $$ are spent they just arent spent on the Rashard Lewises of the world. As a Pistons fan I would much rather have 4 10mill players than 2 Max players. Its foolish to put your eggs in 1 basket.

No player earning a MAX deal has won a ring. The only players with a Max deal that have won did so after being bought out from there orginal team/contract.

No doubt this is about money.

1. Stern wants to earn more money by having better players.
2. NCAA wants to earn more money by having better players
3. NBA wants to spend less money on busts.
4. NBA teams want more protection from busts so they can build better teams.

People who are in favor of a higher age group include
1. NBA teams
2. NBA vets
3. Stern
4. Fans of NBA teams

People who are opposed are
1. NCAA players
2. player wannabes
3. player families
4. possies
5. people who think they will play in the NBA
6. people who follow or are fans of certain player and dont care about the NBA

Plenty of people who love the NBA are against an age limit, according to the union 90% of players are against the age limit, and again there is no proof that not having an age limit has lowered the quality of play in the league.

[mcmasterballer1]

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Well, obviously in most cases you don't come right out and say Age Discrimination is the reason you get rid of someone.

There are a ton of exceptions to the ADEA. For example, the 11th Amendment Exception allows a state actor to use age discrimination, such as a police department. The Bona Fide Occupational Qualification exception allows businesses to claim that employees of a certain age cannot continue as say, [b]an airline pilot or bus driver. No such exception exists for race, religion, gender, etc., discrimination in these cases. [/b]

Those other groupings are covered by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Age discrimination is not, and protections against age discrimination are not as strong as those in the CRA. Therefore, age is not as protected as race, religion, etc.

Further, in regards to the NBA, majority opinion from General Dynamics v Cline 540 US 581 (2004) states:

Held: The ADEA's text, structure, purpose, history, and relationship to other federal statutes show that the statute does not mean to stop an employer from favoring an older employee over a younger one.

Now if that's not an endorsement of the legality of the NBA's age discrimination policy, then I don't know what is. SCOTUS supercedes the ADEA.

i dont know much about the american justice system but from the information that youve brought up can you please tell me the bona fide qualification that would make people who dont meet the nbas age requirement exempt from being covered by the age discrimination laws? ... too immatute? ... prove it... too stupid? ... prove it... sorry but you just pull out a statute which has very little importance in this conversation because it just doesnt apply... and if you say it does well then how did guys like kobe, lebron... and so on all happen to succeed... the fact is that this is a rule which is a cop out because gms talent evaluation suck and stern wants a better product... this still discriminates and thats the bottom line...

please dont use examples such as these to strengthen your argument... being a pilot requires extensive tertiary education and experience flying... not to mention a pilots license which takes an inordinate amount of flying hours even to qualify... also with both of these they hold peoples lives in their hands hence the experience which is needed... please dont compare jobs which hold a significantly higher importance in society to entertainment because it just doesnt work like that in the real world

[theTHIEF]

someone loves the word tertiary...

[Warspite]

If 90% of the Union was agaisnt an age limit then why do we have one? Furthermore if 90% of the players are against an age limit why are they playing and not on strike for the last 3 yrs? Why arent they threatening to strike? Its just a bargining chip to be used and it will be used.

Congress wanted drug/steroid testing for MLB and the union said they would strike if enforced. The NBAPL can talk all they want and if you want to believe there spin thats fine. Nevel Chaimberlain said "Peace in our time" in 39. Thats not what the beaches of Normandy tell me.

Reading this whole thread reminds me of a conversation with my children when they were younger. When Green Beens gets old enough to have a job and can keep it for more than 2 weeks I want to revisit this.

The age discrimination laws are to protect older people from loseing there jobs to young punks. I dont see how those laws are going to help in this instance. In fact they would more likely hurt an early entries case. Furthermore its hard for a jury to agree with a kid who wants to be millionaire and sues for the right to play a kids game.

We have child labor laws to protect kids from working not to help them get jobs.

90% of people under the age of 20 that I have hired simply couldnt do any job nor had the skills or education to write a complete thought or follow written or verbal directions. I wont hire anyone under 21 unless they have a college education.

Stern can agree to an increase of 4% in gross rev for a 22yr age limit and Billy Hunter will say "Where do I sign." Stern will get what he wants its just a matter of how much its going to cost.

[richboy]

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What makes you think that money goes to another player. If the Magic are over the cap and Bird rights are used that money is not allowed to be spent on other areas.

Someone can update me on this because I'm not a CBA nut but I think there a rule that will allow guys like Lebron, Dwight, Wade to opt out and get paid in excess of 20 million per in a few years. The amount of money that the league can save may even be bigger.

Whats funny is I think fans have almost more fun watching there young players mature than winning. I've seen those fans all over realgm. The guy that is more interested in watching some young kid play than a better veteran with zero upside. I'm not sure most fans would agree with not wanting to watch. In reality I don't see that happening all over the league.

I also like the fact that young players entering the league has made drafting more important. Phili for example would never have gotten Thaddeus Young if he played longer. He likely would have been a top 3-5 pick in the draft. There are a ton of players like that. Draft well player develop and you could have something special. Who cares they have to sit the bench a couple of years. You rather have a young prospect on the bench or some stiff that not going anywhere.

If the money is not going to that Max player then the teams will have the MLE to spend. If teams all go on a Max spending spree it just loweres the Lux tax threshold and forces more teams to pay more tax which goes to the teams to sign players. Simply put the same $$ are spent they just arent spent on the Rashard Lewises of the world. As a Pistons fan I would much rather have 4 10mill players than 2 Max players. Its foolish to put your eggs in 1 basket.

No player earning a MAX deal has won a ring. The only players with a Max deal that have won did so after being bought out from there orginal team/contract.

No doubt this is about money.

1. Stern wants to earn more money by having better players.
2. NCAA wants to earn more money by having better players
3. NBA wants to spend less money on busts.
4. NBA teams want more protection from busts so they can build better teams.

People who are in favor of a higher age group include
1. NBA teams
2. NBA vets
3. Stern
4. Fans of NBA teams

People who are opposed are
1. NCAA players
2. player wannabes
3. player families
4. possies
5. people who think they will play in the NBA
6. people who follow or are fans of certain player and dont care about the NBA

They would have the MLE to spend anyway.

Teams are avoiding spending on a max player so how is the tax involved.

The Pistons have no one worthy of the max. Its easy to say I rather have 4 10 million players when thats the situation your end. You draft Dwade and Dwight Howard your thinking about 10 million a year contracts.