Jefferson ponders his future

[G_MoNeY]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

RJ will never reach VC's level. RJ may be younger, but VC brings more to the table all-around. If you can deal RJ for a big man -- you pull the trigger! You hope to get a steal on draft night with a draft pick and a key player, and don't look back! Also, I will agree with what some people have been saying, move VC back to SF, if you can acquire a SG via draft, free agency, trade. I personally have always liked VC playing SF more anyways.

[MrDollarBills]

jefferson should be packaged for a big that can give us points and some toughness inside. Dunno if Elton Brand is a realistic possibility.

[S.I.C. GM]

Not for nothing, but it just seems(which we all know is true)that you want VC gone.
I don't think Rod would trade VC just for expirings and draft picks, unless those picks were non lottery protected from a ish team, probrably including a lotto pick from this year, so we could combine that with ours to move up to 3-5.
Like I have stated, and most would agree, this team will be herrendous(I really need to learn how to spell that word) without VC, unless we get a stud back, even if that is a rookie stud, such as a Mayo if he pans out. Nobody has a crystal ball though, so how do you know if that hyped up rook is gonna flourish?(I don't mean you personally)

That is the point.

I want the next CP, Lebron, Wade, and Kobe not the current VC. If I can lose and get into the lottery next year, I want the next bosh, Duncan, KG, Brand, JO, and Amare.

REBUILD for BROOKLYN!!!! NO SLEEP TILL BROOKLYN!!!!!

[Serpo]

But significantly getting worse and hoping you draft someone good is extremely risky . For every team that took a franchise player high in the draft there are others that picked role players or even worse big busts .

What if you can't land a new franchise player ? Some Drafts don't have franchise players for example . Then you wasted Millions of Dollars because if you really really suck nobody will pay anything to watch you . It's not great right now but it will be far worse.

The management can't plan to lose money to maybe sometimes get better again in the draft. This year is our best chance to draft something really good because of the deep draft .

[S.I.C. GM]

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I believe David West, although I don't see a snowball chance in hell him or Aldridge is available.

Must be good crack.

I agree.

NO isnt stupid.

[S.I.C. GM]

But significantly getting worse and hoping you draft someone good is extremely risky . For every team that took a franchise player high in the draft there are others that picked role players or even worse big busts .

What if you can't land a new franchise player ? Then you wasted Millions of Dollars because if you really really suck nobody will pay anything to watch you . It's not great right now but it will be far worse.

UH UH!!!!!

Noone goes now. Stop! Why do you think they are moving out of NJ?

This ticket thing is very overrated. Ratner needs the team for his plans. He has been losing money every year with this team. Stop It!!!!!

Tax Right Off!!!!!

[Serpo]

But its not like he endorses the management to purposely lose money . It just happens . It's not like he doesn't care at all about it.

[S.I.C. GM]

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He is a Carter hater

Yep!

But I am a Nets Fan, not a Carter fan.

[S.I.C. GM]

I think RJ is looking for the exit!!!!!!!!

After a very good year and with myself finally starting to like the guy. But just Dave D from ledger reported he is thinking that RJ may be moved.

The only player would be Brand!!!!!!!!!!!! and add a shooter like Mike Miller.

And if that does happen it will take RJ and Boone and one of the first round picks. A draft night deal!!!!!!!

Where do you see that?

[Pugsley_2491]

I don't understand how people can make a legit arguement for keeping RJ over Vince.

1) RJ has become a black hole. All RJ cares about now is scoring, he doesn't nearly play the same great D he used to and doesn't care about rebounding the ball or any other team matters

2) Vince is a great play-maker and looks to make shots for everyone else while RJ seemingly just shoots the second he touches the ball.

3) Even after all of that, RJ still has a pretty high value due to his inflated stats. The time is now to move him since his value will never be higher.

4) Management is in love with Carter anyways.

5) "Who is Richard Jefferson?" He doesn't have the name or stardom to draw crowds. Most fans don't go to games to see Richard Jefferson, but Vince Carter since he is the bigger name and still can sell tickets.

6) It's no surprise that the team wins when the ball is in Carter's hands. If anyone wants proof of this, look at the past years with Carter as the go-to scorer and then look at this year with RJ as the go-to scorer (notice this year we didn't make the playoffs)

[S.I.C. GM]

I don't understand how people can make a legit arguement for keeping RJ over Vince.

It is very simple.

1) RJ has become a black hole. All RJ cares about now is scoring, he doesn't nearly play the same great D he used to and doesn't care about rebounding the ball or any other team matters

Unfortunately, when your STAR doesnt play Defense it becomes contagious.

2) Vince is a great play-maker and looks to make shots for everyone else while RJ seemingly just shoots the second he touches the ball.

This is such a funny comment. 1) everyone cant be a playmaker. That is why Kidd became obsolete. 2) If one guy is the playmaker, someone else has to take charge and shoot the ball. RJ was never a playmaker. Why do we all of a sudden expect him to be MAGIC. That is why we have Harris and M. Will.

3) Even after all of that, RJ still has a pretty high value due to his inflated stats. The time is now to move him since his value will never be higher.

And what are Carter's numbers?

4) Management is in love with Carter anyways.

I think you forgot IMO. I have been blased for making such comments. Speaking for Thorn and such. What happen to those VC trade rumors this year? I guess they were just rumors. Since Thorn and Ratner public said they like VC. Like they are going to say, VC is inconsistant, soft, and lacks aggressiveness.

5) "Who is Richard Jefferson?" He doesn't have the name or stardom to draw crowds. Most fans don't go to games to see Richard Jefferson, but Vince Carter since he is the bigger name and still can sell tickets.

So how many people went this year? What did NJ average this year?

6) It's no surprise that the team wins when the ball is in Carter's hands. If anyone wants proof of this, look at the past years with Carter as the go-to scorer and then look at this year with RJ as the go-to scorer (notice this year we didn't make the playoffs)

Wins! Where are they? Last year we barely made the playoffs, what are you talking about? But wait didnt VC also have a second wind late last year too.

Sorry pugs dont agree with you here.

VC needs to go. RJ can go too for picks and expiring. But I would take RJ over VC. I dont like his game.

[Serpo]

I know one thing for sure right now if you want to get the best in return for either RJ or VInce you have to trade RJ .

Because :

A) he's younger
B) has his best year scoringwise
C) has been healthy all year
D) is less important then Vince

I'd hate to see RJ leave but realitically he's the best shot to get very good pieces in return . Vince's value is just not high enough .

[mack69]

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Where do you see that?

The Dave D article,

Mail's In
Posted by Dave D. April 08, 2008 2:55PM
Categories: Mailbag
DD: List five positives and five negatives for the Nets this season...and what was the most surprising of each.
Rob Windrem

Bobbo: You got a wager on this, or are you just handing out summer writing assignments? I'll just list the five positives for now, because as everybody knows, I'm a positive guy. 1. They dumped Kidd in the 11th hour of his career, which was exquisite timing, and now have a clearer idea of how to rebuild the roster; 2. Devin has undoubtedly emerged as a top-10 point guard and probably a future All-Star, and that never would have happened in Dallas until Dirk retired; 3. Josh Boone is a keeper, and getting smarter and more valuable by the day; 4. RJ stayed relatively healthy the whole way, and even if he tailed off in January, it resolved some questions about his durability, which should make him easier to move (and basing it on nothing but a hunch, I'd bet that he'll be moved); 5. They know how they want to play - they have an offensive style again, thanks to the kid with the rockets on his shoes - and now it's a matter of going out and getting the right pieces to augment that style.

This is nothing official but a hunch!!!!!!!!!!

[mack69]

SIC,

This will be the closet chance to drafting an elite talent in this draft. IMO there are only 5 players that are good young players. The only one I think that would make a impact would be Beasley.

The next tier is Gordan, Mayo, Rose and Lopez. Although, i am dissapointed that we are not in the post season. I am excited to see where we'll be in the draft.

Hopefully one of these guys can be a LB, CP type of player.

[Pugsley_2491]

SIC,
RJ is never gonna be on VC's level so get over it.

"And what are Carter's numbers?"
His numbers went down this year because of RJ trying to be the #1 this year

"So how many people went this year? What did NJ average this year?"
Everyone knows the attendance isn't that great, which is why we're trying to make the move to Brooklyn. However, I'd hate to see what the attendance would be like with Vince gone.

"Wins! Where are they? Last year we barely made the playoffs, what are you talking about?"
First off, we did make the playoffs last year and not this year right? Oh yeah we did. Second, what are you talking about barely making the playoffs? We were the 6th seed and 6 games ahead of Indy who was in 9th. Plus we over-achieved with Krstic being out. Also, it was pretty coincidental that the team stepped it up when RJ went down. Look at the year before when we went on cruise control and took the 3rd seed and the year before that with Carter and Kidd playing outstanding basketball down the stretch (without RJ) to make the playoffs that year.

Trust me, now is the time to move RJ. He's a nice player but not a #1 option he's better suited as a #2. This year he was basically a #2 trying to be a #1.

[kamaze]

I think RJ is looking for the exit!!!!!!!!

Ding Ding the correct answer. RJ allways gets annoyed about the trade rumors.
My personal viewpoint:
After Kidd left RJ tried to hold the team together calling out players saying this is how we should play. Many posters around the Net said he needed to shutup and produce better...The coach said shut up and score 20 and handed the team to Vince (surprising)

I'm not lobying for RJ please don't get it twisted it's about the team team .
The style they've been playing doesn't get the best out of the future Devin Harris, Josh Boone; who also made comments about the offense that's 2 starters.
RJ can still get his 20 but it's not about personal stats Kidd showed that. It's all about winning and getting the best out of players.

Right now the Nets aren't winning and they're not getting the best out of players. That's why I think RJ's thrown his hands up.

The franchise player does not seem to care about winning or getting the team involved.
The coach doesn't trust anyone except the franchise player and is intimidated by him.
The GM likes the coach to a point he won't fire him.
This is the Nets....I feel bad for RJ a player who hates losing and he's not the only one on the team.

[vincecarter4pres]

You know, 1st and foremost I am a Nets fan, not a Carter fan, although he has been my favorite player before he was on the Nets.

But I have been a Nets fan since I was 11, back in the 90-91 season.

Listen I can understand loving your team, but at the same time hating a player on your team, even if that player is a huge impact of the teams success, or non-success.

But........

Lets be real here, RJ is a top 10 SF, while VC is a top 20-25 player.

You can hate him all you want, and sometimes I do too, just for his body language, and defeatist attitude, but opinion aside the facts are there.

If we had the 2004-2008 VC back in 2001-2004 in place of RJ, there is a good chance we would have won the whole thing at least once, and we would have made it 3 times instead of 2.

[kamaze]

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based on what? For the last 5 years, he's played at least 73 games or more. He had two injury-plagued seasons, which were serious injuries mind you, in 2001-2003. He's been nothing but a soldier since then.

Just my opinion. In case you haven't noticed Vince was injured this year and is looking at offseason surgery.
He's older than RJ and has gone through a lot more injuries I'm Just saying.

[kamaze]

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Are you a Nets fan? Have you watched the games? If you think we surpass what we did this year WITHOUT VC, you're CRAZY! Frank finally saw the light and handed the reigns over to VC these last 15 games or so...if that didn't happen, we'd be in the Memphis/Clippers range of our record. No joke!

No I just happen to know so much about a team I'm not a fan of.

[G_MoNeY]

you forgot the green text kamaze.

Actually, the only injury that VC had that RJ hasn't was the torn patella tendon, which is what I mentioned in the previous posts, that was a serious injury. This ankle injury is the same thing RJ had last year. I'm not arguing injuries though...they're BOTH tough players, although many would argue VC's not. The fact he's been playing through this injury all year long and still near his career average, shows his heart.