Rudy Fernandez

[Village Idiot]

Could the Blazers sign him today and have him play the last few games with the team? I assume the answer to this question is yes.

If yes, does this use up the entire first year of his rookie deal?

The point is to get Rudy off his rookie scale contract ASAP so he can make more than he'd be making in Europe.

[Three34]

a) Assuming that Fernandex and Barcelona agree to terminate his contract, which they won't, then yes.

b) Yes.

[FGump]

The point is to get Rudy off his rookie scale contract ASAP so he can make more than he'd be making in Europe.

I see no reason why the Blazers wouldn't prefer to get the full benefit of the protection provided by the rookie contract.

[Village Idiot]

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I see no reason why the Blazers wouldn't prefer to get the full benefit of the protection provided by the rookie contract.

The fact of the matter is that Rudy is probably the best player in Europe right now. The strength of the euro contra the dollar in additon to the rookie scale contract mean that Fernandez can easily make 4-5 times more in Europe than in the NBA. He needs to get off his rookie contract ASAP if he wants to make any money. If he can't make enough money there is no guarantee he comes to Portland, ever. Paul Allen is any but cheap. If he thinks Rudy is worth it he'll gladly pay or even overpay.

[Three34]

The strength of the euro contra the dollar in additon to the rookie scale contract mean that Fernandez can easily make 4-5 times more in Europe than in the NBA. He needs to get off his rookie contract ASAP if he wants to make any money.

Or never sign it.

[Dunkenstein]

Fernandez may also see how little PT his countryman Rodriguez is getting in Portland and, to a similar though lesser extent, Navarro is getting in Memphis and say "why bother coming to the NBA? In Europe I'm a star and I get better paid. Screw the NBA."

I'm also wondering whether Navarro, who signed a 1 year, $538K deal with Memphis last year so he could play along side his now-departed best friend Pau Gasol will also say adios NBA and return to Spain where he will no doubt be better treated.

With the fall of the dollar and fewer recently arriving Europeans having much of an impact playing in the NBA, I think we'll see fewer and fewer of them looking for work in the USA.

[arenas809]

I'm also wondering whether Navarro, who signed a 1 year, $538K deal with Memphis last year so he could play along side his now-departed best friend Pau Gasol will also say adios NBA and return to Spain where he will no doubt be better treated.

Bucher reported earlier this week that Navarro wants to make a name for himself in the NBA, so he's planning on sticking around.

I can understand that.

I could not understand Fernandez coming over, that issue is clear dollars, euros and sense.

[Dunkenstein]

Bucher reported earlier this week that Navarro wants to make a name for himself in the NBA, so he's planning on sticking around.

"Adios Navarro: Spanish guard Juan Carlos Navarro already has a flight booked to Spain for this afternoon. Navarro, who played 10 seasons for FC Barcelona, is leaving so quickly because his wife and daughters have already returned.

Asked whether he'll be back next season, Navarro just shrugged his shoulders."

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[killbuckner]

Wasn't there some rule that if you own a player's rights for a certain number of years, you are allowed to exceed the rookie scale as long as you use caproom to do it?

[Dunkenstein]

Navarro was a second round pick so Memphis can pay him as much as their cap situation allows.

[arenas809]

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"Adios Navarro: Spanish guard Juan Carlos Navarro already has a flight booked to Spain for this afternoon. Navarro, who played 10 seasons for FC Barcelona, is leaving so quickly because his wife and daughters have already returned.

Asked whether he'll be back next season, Navarro just shrugged his shoulders."

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I don't think he'll be back in Memphis, I do think he'll be back in the NBA.

[FGump]

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I don't think he'll be back in Memphis, I do think he'll be back in the NBA.

Sign-and-trade? Unless Memphis is unwilling to pay him what someone else will, he only plays in Memphis unless traded.

[Three34]

Memphis traded a protected first rounder for Navarro.

They then sign Darko Milicic to a big deal.

Then then completely inexplicably sign Casey Jacobsen and Andre Brown to minimum salary deals before completing negotiations with Navarro, as well as sign Conley to his rookie deal (thus making his cap number 120% of the scale, not the 100% that was billed before he signed.)

As a result, they were left with only just above the minimum left to give Navarro, who had already sealed the buyout with Barcelona. Navarro, as a result, had to take the only offer that Memphis could give him - one made unnecessarily piss poor by those stupid inconsequential Jacobsen and Brown signings - and wound up playing at a loss last season.

Memphis then sucked gargantuan ass all year, and also traded away Juan's mate, Pau Gasol.

So, in the end, Navarro left Europe to come to the NBA, where he was treated with less money, less minutes, less acclaim, less wins, and less friends than he had just left his native country for.

Shouldn't imagine that he's entirely sold on the idea of coming back.

Good ol' Memphis. They handled this well. They're a fine organisation at heart.

[JonathanG]

Isn't there a rule in the CBA that you can use cap space to sign a first round pick if you do it three years or more after he was drafted?

[JonathanG]

Isn't there a rule in the CBA that you can use cap space to sign a first round pick if you do it three years or more after he was drafted?

Yes.

Section 2. Rookie Contracts for Later-Signed First Round Picks.
Except as provided in Section 3 below, a First Round Pick who does not sign with the Team that holds his draft rights for any portion of the three (3) Seasons following the NBA Draft in which he was selected (and who did not play intercollegiate basketball during such period) may enter into either (a) a Rookie Scale Contract in accordance with Section 1 above, or (b) if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount, a Contract covering no fewer than three (3) Seasons that provides for Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year up to the amount of the Team

[JonathanG]

when they say "Room" does that mean only cap space, or could it mean the MLE also?

[FGump]

Room is cap room.

MLE (and many others) are "exceptions" to the cap rules. As such, they of course are never cap room but merely exceptions for activity over the cap. So when it says a team needs cap room to do this or that, the MLE(xception), BAE(xception), TP(xception), and any other E(xception) won't cut it.

[HammJ]

Fernandez may also see how little PT his countryman Rodriguez is getting in Portland and, to a similar though lesser extent, Navarro is getting in Memphis and say "why bother coming to the NBA? In Europe I'm a star and I get better paid. Screw the NBA."

I'm also wondering whether Navarro, who signed a 1 year, $538K deal with Memphis last year so he could play along side his now-departed best friend Pau Gasol will also say adios NBA and return to Spain where he will no doubt be better treated.

With the fall of the dollar and fewer recently arriving Europeans having much of an impact playing in the NBA, I think we'll see fewer and fewer of them looking for work in the USA.

Gotta give a shout out to Dunk... he called it. In fact, he called it two months ago.

[FGump]

Room is cap room..

That's wrong, Gump. (Whoops.)

The CBA in its definitions says:

“Room” means the extent to which: (i) a Team’s then-current Team Salary is less than the Salary Cap; or (ii) a Team is entitled to use one of the Salary Cap Exceptions set forth in Article VII, Section 6(c), (d), (e) and (h) (Disabled Player, Bi-annual, Mid-Level Salary and Traded Player Exceptions).

when they say "Room" does that mean only cap space, or could it mean the MLE also?

Yep, it could mean any applicable exemption as well.

The rule being discussed says "Except as provided in Section 3 below, a First Round Pick who does not sign with the Team that holds his draft rights for any portion of the three (3) Seasons following the NBA Draft in which he was selected (and who did not play intercollegiate basketball during such period) may enter into either (a) a Rookie Scale Contract in accordance with Section 1 above, or (b) if the Team has Room in excess of the applicable first-year Rookie Scale Amount, a Contract covering no fewer than three (3) Seasons that provides for Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year up to the amount of the Team’s Room and increases or decreases in Salary and Unlikely Bonuses in subsequent Salary Cap Years in accordance with Article VII, Section 5(c)(1)."

The 3-year minimum means the BAE exceptions is excluded. Minimum Salary exception would be excluded both due to the amount as well as to the number of years needed.

That apparently leaves the MLE and Disabled Player exceptions as possibilities for this situation, along with cap room.

[Genjuro]

I've been told there's some kind of agreement behind the curtains among NBA teams not to applay this rule. I guess they fear that many international guys would then stay overseas for those three years and then ask for big bucks.