76ers @ Wizards 4/12/08

P2K · Post #81 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 am

Westbrook36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'm not being a homer, I'm being realistic. Arenas is a better pure scorer than Miller, but Miller does every single other thing better than Arenas. He defends better, penetrates better, rebounds better, passes better, makes other players better(better).

Butler not better than Iggy, are you serious? Other than having a better jump shot maybe, Iggy does everything else better than Butler as well.

Green is not as bad as you think? Green is having an awful stretch, but in case you didn't know, Green is having just as good if not a better year than Stevenson. It is close, and could go either way, but it really is a toss-up. I think Green is a better fit for our running style. Stevenson is better in the half court.

I also don't know why you keep bringing up the fact that we aren't there yet. I never said we were, but we are a top 5 team in the east.

Time to ease off the Kool-Aid. Take that IV out.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #82 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:38 am

P2K wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Time to ease off the Kool-Aid. Take that IV out.

There is no point in even replying to you after this post unless you actually decide to bring an argument to the table. It's a waste of my time otherwise.

Mik317 · Post #83 » by **Mik317** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:40 am

Dude calm down...........it's just a game............not practice.......but a game.

9th Wonder · Post #84 » by **9th Wonder** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:45 am

Westbrook36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Butler not better than Iggy, are you serious? Other than having a better jump shot maybe, Iggy does everything else better than Butler as well.

Butler is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He's a better rebounder, probably equal passer, he is a better free throw shooter, has a better jump shot and I would argue that he is a better scorer overall.

In fact, I'd take Butler over Arenas any day of the week. One of the most underrated players in the league, if you ask me.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #85 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:48 am

9th Wonder wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Butler is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA. He's a better rebounder, probably equal passer, he is a better free throw shooter, has a better jump shot and I would argue that he is a better scorer overall.

In fact, I'd take Butler over Arenas any day of the week. One of the most underrated players in the league, if you ask me.

Eh... I'm not big on Butler's defense. I'd take Iggy 7 days a week. I think Iggy is a much better passer, and a better rebounder also(despite the numbers). Iguodala has the intangibles that Butler lacks. He is a lot smarter and has a better court sense than Butler as well.

P2K · Post #86 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:50 am

Westbrook36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There is no point in even replying to you after this post unless you actually decide to bring an argument to the table. It's a waste of my time otherwise.

And you're wasting our time with your homer talk. For someone to say that Andre Miller is a better player than Gil Arenas, that Iguodala is flat out better than Butler, to praise Willie Green and call this team a top 5 team in the East after what you just saw tonight and ever since two games before the playoff clinching game...it just screams "homer".

Serious, it's time to step away and rethink things a bit.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #87 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:52 am

You still haven't even given an argument as to why. I can say that Eddie House is the best player in the NBA if I don't have to argue it and bring facts to the table.

P2K · Post #88 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:53 am

Westbrook36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Eh... I'm not big on Butler's defense. I'd take Iggy 7 days a week. I think Iggy is a much better passer, and a better rebounder also(despite the numbers). Iguodala has the intangibles that Butler lacks. He is a lot smarter and has a better court sense than Butler as well.

Caron Butler lacks intangibles now? I actually would liek to know what intangibles does Butler lack, yet Iguodala has?

LongLiveHinkie · Post #89 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:55 am

P2K wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Caron Butler lacks intangibles now? I actually would liek to know what intangibles does Butler lack, yet Iguodala has?

Court sense, court vision, running the break, in-game smarts, footwork, hustle, grit, etc.

P2K · Post #90 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:56 am

Westbrook36 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Court sense, court vision, running the break, in-game smarts, footwork, hustle, grit, etc.

And you know for fact that Caron Butler lacks all of this? lol funny stuff.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #91 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:58 am

That is my opinion from watching both players. You are free to disagree.

P2K · Post #92 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:01 am

Westbrook36 wrote:You still haven't even given an argument as to why. I can say that Eddie House is the best player in the NBA if I don't have to argue it and bring facts to the table.

Because anybody with a brain knows Gilbert Arenas is better than Andre Miller. A 3-time All Star, 3-time All-NBA player that's been averaging over 25 ppg has to be better than Andre Miller.

P2K · Post #93 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:04 am

Westbrook36 wrote:That is my opinion from watching both players. You are free to disagree.

Damn right I am.

And how many games of Butler have you watched this year?

positivetension · Post #94 » by **positivetension** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:05 am

Westbrook36 wrote:That is my opinion from watching both players. You are free to disagree.

As an unbiassed fan I would take Butler over Iggy pretty easily. I'd also take Arenas over Miller, Jamison over Evans, Stevenson and Green both suck and Dalembert has the edge over Haywood. I'd tell you to stop being a homer but since this is the Philly board I guess I would be a bit out of line.. :cool:

hands11 · Post #95 » by **hands11** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:05 am

Great game by your guys until GA did his thing at the end.

This game scared the crap out of most Wizard fans.

I wouldn't want to face the Sixers again, thats for sure.

You'll did a layup practice against us.

Good luck.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #96 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:07 am

10-15 this year of Butler. I've watched Butler play a ton throughout his career, even back in college as well. I was a fan of him in college.

Because anybody with a brain knows Gilbert Arenas is better than Andre Miller. A 3-time All Star, 3-time All-NBA player that's been averaging over 25 ppg has to be better than Andre Miller.

He is a better scorer, but Miller is a better floor general, far superior court vision, he makes everyone around him better, his mid-ranged jumper is money.

If we traded Miller for Arenas right now, we'd have 10 less wins. I guarantee you. You are underestimating Miller. This year, he is a top 5 PG in the NBA. He doesn't have the sizzle some other big name players has, but anyone who knows the game of basketball knows what he brings to the table for this team.

PrimeTime21 · Post #97 » by **PrimeTime21** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:08 am

Hello Detroit, worse thing is I may end up breaking my TV if I have to hear "Deee-troit BASKETBALL"...gayest saying ever!!

Hopefully Detroit feels the effects of resting their starters, hey I know I'm reaching here.

hands11 · Post #98 » by **hands11** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:09 am

P2K wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Caron Butler lacks intangibles now? I actually would liek to know what intangibles does Butler lack, yet Iguodala has?

Health ?

I'm a huge CB fan. But I also like Igi. Dude has talent.

hands11 · Post #99 » by **hands11** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:13 am

Westbrook36 wrote:That is my opinion from watching both players. You are free to disagree.

When healthy, CB has all those things. He has been hurt most of the year.

When he was healthy he was in the top 10 list for MVP. The man does it all.
This off season I think he will work on him one on one game a little more. Maybe that's the thing you haven't seen a lot of from him. He has done it. But when your wheel are bad. It's hard to do.

CB has had his health problems though. Some Wizards fans are starting to question if he is injury prone.

All that said. Igi is a great talent also and I really like the talent the Sixers have. You'll are so fast as a team. My guess is the only thing missing is a 1/2 court game. Not sure if that mean you'll adding a player or not.

But like I said. I hope you don't see you'll again.

P2K · Post #100 » by **P2K** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:18 am

Westbrook36 wrote:10-15 this year of Butler. I've watched Butler play a ton throughout his career, even back in college as well. I was a fan of him in college.

And if you supposedly have seen all these games (not sure if it's true or not), you have come to the conclusion that Caron Butler, an All Star, lacks all those things you named and yet Iguodala does have them all? Wow.

Because anybody with a brain knows Gilbert Arenas is better than Andre Miller. A 3-time All Star, 3-time All-NBA player that's been averaging over 25 ppg has to be better than Andre Miller.

He is a better scorer, but Miller is a better floor general, far superior court vision, he makes everyone around him better, his mid-ranged jumper is money.

If we traded Miller for Arenas right now, we'd have 10 less wins. I guarantee you. You are underestimating Miller. This year, he is a top 5 PG in the NBA. He doesn't have the sizzle some other big name players has, but anyone who knows the game of basketball knows what he brings to the table for this team.[/quote]

Ok, this is where I get off. I'm too tired to argue with a homer tonight. I'm sorry, not going to do it.