Why No Respect For The Wiz?

[Flash3]

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Well I guess thats just your opinion. Personally the "because gil can score 40 hes better " argument. There alot of ways to dominate a game and D12 does alot of them, Gil does one.

No need to reply if your going to come back with the same " GIL SCOREZ MORE POINTS OMGZORZ$$@$@"

No he doesn't.

You're saying the defense focusing all their attention on him, doesn't open up offense for his teammates?

You're also saying that, given his ability to drive to the basket and the D having to collapse on him, opening up lanes, he's not giving his teammates a better look at a shot?

You're also saying, Gilbert can't control a game, let alone an entire series?

Again, I don't see the gripe you have here. -- Instead, you're making up opinionated thoughts, as are others, and they are free to do so. So, again WITW are you arguing?

[fugop]

For Christ's sake, I obviously never should have brought up the asinince comparison between the importance of Howard to the Magic and the importance of Gilbert to the Wizards...

The Wizards are an erratic team, capable of blowing out good teams, and capable of getting blown out by terrible teams. We haven't been particularly consistent over the last few seasons, mainly because our defensive effort and defensive matchups varies from game to game. This season, though, with the injuries and with some new coaching, we've developed a much more consistent defensive effort -- the question is if that's going to carry through with the return of the lineup to full health. If it does, we might actually be able to sustain high level play, and legitimately join the top tier in the east.

The Magic have some of the same macro-level problems, but theirs are more personnel-dependent than effort-dependent. They've got crap in the back court, guys who aren't capable of playing either end of the court at a top level, guys who can get run out of town by Foye and McCants. They've got a beast in the middle, a pretty versatile SF, and a talented, overpaid, matchup problem (on both ends) at the PF position. They need a reliable lead guard, someone who can run an offense, but they don't have much in the way of assets left to get one.

Whether they're in a better situation than us is an open question, something probably not susceptible to reasoned discussion or persuasion. As a Wizards fan, I'm comfortable with our roster and our future, and I hope we'll address some of our issues. I'm sure Magic fans are the same, though their confidence seems a bit bolder than the facts might warrant.

[dobrojim]

he doesn't have one

the last 2 years before this one Gil avgd 25 and 29

he did so efficiently, leading an offense that was one
of the best in the league

I think big men are limited offensively in today's game.
You can double team them before they even have the
ball and in the case of D12, he isn't effective outside of
10-12 ft. A guard like GA can bring the ball up, doesn't
need his teammates to pass him the ball where he can
be effective, he has unlimited range and actually makes
FTs, often drawing fouls on opp bigs. This to me argues
pretty persuasively that Arenas is a better O player.

Unless D12 gets a game beyond dunking, he'll still be VERY
GOOD, but you can keep him from getting the ball and foul
him when he does. This will ultimately limit his effectiveness.
Howard probably is the best true C in the league right now, Yao not being
healthy, but Cs are by design/rule, not as important as they were 10-20
years ago before you could legally zone.

[magicfan4life05]

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My 1 example vs. his 1 example. Nothing more, nothing less.

ok i agree with that, that's fair then

[MagicNolesFSU]

LOL at dobrojim. Jameer is a capable point guard. He is no chauncey billups, but he is definitely a serviceable guard. Mccants and Foye got hot and were hitting fade away 3 pointers, not much you can do when the rim is the ocean.

[TheKingOfVa360]

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No he doesn't.

You're saying the defense focusing all their attention on him, doesn't open up offense for his teammates?

You're also saying that, given his ability to drive to the basket and the D having to collapse on him, opening up lanes, he's not giving his teammates a better look at a shot?

You're also saying, Gilbert can't control a game, let alone an entire series?

Again, I don't see the gripe you have here. -- Instead, you're making up opinionated thoughts, as are others, and they are free to do so. So, again WITW are you arguing?

Great post

[dobrojim]

LOL at dobrojim. Jameer is a capable point guard. He is no chauncey billups, but he is definitely a serviceable guard. Mccants and Foye got hot and were hitting fade away 3 pointers, not much you can do when the rim is the ocean.

capable back up on most quality teams.
A guy like him that has a top shelf big that forces defenses
to collapse away from them should put up much better numbers
than Jameer does. I'll give you this about him though. He was a better
pick than a number of players taken before him if that's any consolation.
But ORL won't really scare people until they get better quality Gs.

Among EC pgs, he's no better than middle of the pack.
But I wasn't even talking about Jameer. LOL yourself.
You never respond to any specific argument that is made.

[MagicNolesFSU]

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capable back up on most quality teams.
A guy like him that has a top shelf big that forces defenses
to collapse away from them should put up much better numbers
than Jameer does. I'll give you this about him though. He was a better
pick than a number of players taken before him if that's any consolation.
But ORL won't really scare people until they get better quality Gs.

Among EC pgs, he's no better than middle of the pack.
But I wasn't even talking about Jameer. LOL yourself.
You never respond to any specific argument that is made.

Yeah i was talking about fugop. One post above yours. Simple mistake.

[SHAQFORMVP]

[JStockLivesOn]

Ouch.

Yeah, the Wizards have been insanely disappointing through these first two games. I like Gilbert; I think he's an extremely entertaining personality, and a good player. But how many times can he and the Wizards talk crap and then get their asses handed to them before they realize they need to shut up?

Hell, Arenas talking isn't even that bad, because at least he's an All Star. Deshawn Stevenson talking crap, then doing the you-can't-see-me taunt as his team is down 20, before they lose in epic fashion? It's a little pathetic.

This series isn't over, but they better do some soul-searching before Game 3.

[tanat-0s]

You talking about respect?

How about earning one?

In play-offs?

[Duiz]

Jazz are sweeping and the Wiz are getting swept.

[Rasheeed!!!]

You seem to have the uncanny ability of linking the Jazz to everything.

[sekira]

to the OP...

b/c they suck. They got blown out by the cavs... LOL.

[celticfan42487]

you're a bad person

[GreenWithEnvy]

respect for what? theyre gettin embarrassed and they continue to talk **** even tho theyre losing. they don't deserve respect.

whats everyone saying about Caron Butler now? hes just another one of those regular season guys who shys away from the spotlight in the post season. awful!

[JoshB914]

The Wiz are a joke. How can a team consistently get beaten because of a lack of toughness?

[Kosar86]

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Yes why wouldn't I. We are a top 3 team in the East.

No your not.