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Nets Notes from around the web.
I'm at "work" but don't feel like doing any work so I just got done reading a series of articles on the Nets from around the web, I picked a couple of interesting quotes from each article and figured I'd just post them here to see what everyone thought of them:
(1) One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."
(2)Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."
(3)"I just try to not think about it right now. Finish the season and then think about it. I want to be back here but that's something I can't really control," said Krstic. "It's a business. They always say to me it's a business. So if somebody offered more money probably I would go there but it's still early to think about. If somebody offers me more money and they're not going to match, what am I going to do?"
(4)That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement to keep the combo [of Boone and Krstic] together, but clearly Thorn wants both of them back. "I can say Nenad is in the plans," he said, "but he is a free agent, and he'll look at what's available in the market, so you never know."
(5)Carter has clearly been at his best since the Kidd trade because "once he was gone, somebody has to take the initiative -- and I accepted that," Carter said Thursday. But too often he is preoccupied with keeping teammates happy, some observe, and is wasting the last of his prime seasons.
(6)As of now, the Nets will pick around 10th and 21st, but that could change after the lottery balls fall. Thorn believes he can get "a player who can help us fairly soon at 10," but many of his peers believe the Nets will be actively shopping the picks for veteran talent.
(1) One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game. "Not so much from his play, but his attitude. A lot of people think that Richard is mostly about Richard."
(2)Another East official was more blunt: "What's the difference between him and Corey Maggette?" he riddled. "Maggette makes only $7 million a year. (Jefferson) is very good, but he's way overpaid for his talent level."
(3)"I just try to not think about it right now. Finish the season and then think about it. I want to be back here but that's something I can't really control," said Krstic. "It's a business. They always say to me it's a business. So if somebody offered more money probably I would go there but it's still early to think about. If somebody offers me more money and they're not going to match, what am I going to do?"
(4)That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement to keep the combo [of Boone and Krstic] together, but clearly Thorn wants both of them back. "I can say Nenad is in the plans," he said, "but he is a free agent, and he'll look at what's available in the market, so you never know."
(5)Carter has clearly been at his best since the Kidd trade because "once he was gone, somebody has to take the initiative -- and I accepted that," Carter said Thursday. But too often he is preoccupied with keeping teammates happy, some observe, and is wasting the last of his prime seasons.
(6)As of now, the Nets will pick around 10th and 21st, but that could change after the lottery balls fall. Thorn believes he can get "a player who can help us fairly soon at 10," but many of his peers believe the Nets will be actively shopping the picks for veteran talent.
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One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game.
It also creates this dilemma: The Nets need Jefferson to maximize Harris' assets, because they have to play fast; but they probably also have to sacrifice Jefferson to acquire the frontcourt stud they have lacked since Kenyon Martin left four years ago.
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=3
Vince Carter likely will be back and Devin Harris too. They're very good players, one is great when he wants to be and can carry a team.
http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article. ... 318&vkey=3
Richard Jefferson is the only player remaining from the Nets' back-to-back Finals appearances and the years when they were a perennial contender in the East.
One Eastern Conference official, who requested anonymity so as not to devalue one of Thorn's chief trading assets, said, "He's developed a reputation for being a selfish player," which was a mouthful, considering Jefferson was averaging 23 points on only 15 shots per game.
It also creates this dilemma: The Nets need Jefferson to maximize Harris' assets, because they have to play fast; but they probably also have to sacrifice Jefferson to acquire the frontcourt stud they have lacked since Kenyon Martin left four years ago.
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf ... thispage=3
Vince Carter likely will be back and Devin Harris too. They're very good players, one is great when he wants to be and can carry a team.
http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article. ... 318&vkey=3
Richard Jefferson is the only player remaining from the Nets' back-to-back Finals appearances and the years when they were a perennial contender in the East.
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Some of these quotes kind of highlight the Nets' problem though. BOTH Vince and Richard are great players the problem is that their perceived value is less than their actual value... Further complicating things is the fact that realistically speaking, at least one of them has to go in order for the Nets to take the next step in their rebuilding / retooling plan...
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the problem is RJ's salary is almost as much as VC's (and people thought VC was overpaid...) and only one year shorter. From what I've read the Nets will (once again) try to shop RJ but his salary is just going to scare away and potential buyers esp. when a similar player (Maggette) just had a pretty good season personally and will be on the market also.
Also as the article pointed out RJ is the Nets running game (with Devin). RJ let's the frontcourt & VC grab the D rebounds while he leaks out looking for fastbreak opportunities. If he goes, will the replacement fill that void or will Devin run alone...Personally, I don't see any serious interest in RJ this off season and expect him back as a Nets. Maybe if he has a year left in his contract but until then I'm guessing he's a Nets player. Frankly unless the Nets can get a legit offensive frontcourt talent for RJ I'd rather keep him. He runs the floor well, is mostly efficient and is a good teammate. He just needs to tweak some things in the offseason (his dribbling will always be poor/average but he can easily adapt to making quicker decisions & he's been a bit better lately on not freezing the offense).
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so it basically looks like Nets are very interested in resigning Krstic so unless their is an overpayment by a competing team (doubtful considering his season) the Nets will resign him.
No news on Boki so far may mean he's not in the Nets plan. Hopefully they can get some consistent bench productivity next year as it was awful this year. Open Shooter/Tough D (Bowen type) off the bench would be nice and so would Marcus getting his head out of his arse.
Some other things to look at:
- obviously the draft picks
- Diop (all things i've read the Nets want to resign him)
- Devin (has 1 year left, will Nets try to make commitment there already..)
- SWat (needs to get stronger, needs to improve positional D, rebounding)
- Darrell (retire..will he be part of Nets organization)
- Marcus (............more of an enigma then SWat..........he puts together more consistency / effort and we have a nice 1 / 2 punch at PG..he doesn't and more head scratching/nail biting/hair pulling next season)
- Boone (great season. I still like him off the bench with Marcus or he would be a good compliment to a "star" frontcourt player that we've been looking for)
- Ager (doesn't make much so can be trade fodder but the brief time he's come on he's not been that bad...wouldn't mind seeing him get a full summer working out / training camp & with Nets next year to see what he can do in a new environment)
Consistency is lacking on this team (from VC / Devin / bench / coaching). Roles / Minutes need to be defined early next season. Can't be juggling constantly with player (esp bench) not knowing when/where their minutes are coming and what is expected of them. VC can't be robin anymore. Kidd is gone and as long as he is a Nets this is now his team to lead. I think Devin will be really good next year with a summer resting his injury / had time to get familiar with VC/RJ/etc. He works on that Drexler-esque jumpshot of his and he can be the talk of next season.
Also as the article pointed out RJ is the Nets running game (with Devin). RJ let's the frontcourt & VC grab the D rebounds while he leaks out looking for fastbreak opportunities. If he goes, will the replacement fill that void or will Devin run alone...Personally, I don't see any serious interest in RJ this off season and expect him back as a Nets. Maybe if he has a year left in his contract but until then I'm guessing he's a Nets player. Frankly unless the Nets can get a legit offensive frontcourt talent for RJ I'd rather keep him. He runs the floor well, is mostly efficient and is a good teammate. He just needs to tweak some things in the offseason (his dribbling will always be poor/average but he can easily adapt to making quicker decisions & he's been a bit better lately on not freezing the offense).
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so it basically looks like Nets are very interested in resigning Krstic so unless their is an overpayment by a competing team (doubtful considering his season) the Nets will resign him.
No news on Boki so far may mean he's not in the Nets plan. Hopefully they can get some consistent bench productivity next year as it was awful this year. Open Shooter/Tough D (Bowen type) off the bench would be nice and so would Marcus getting his head out of his arse.
Some other things to look at:
- obviously the draft picks
- Diop (all things i've read the Nets want to resign him)
- Devin (has 1 year left, will Nets try to make commitment there already..)
- SWat (needs to get stronger, needs to improve positional D, rebounding)
- Darrell (retire..will he be part of Nets organization)
- Marcus (............more of an enigma then SWat..........he puts together more consistency / effort and we have a nice 1 / 2 punch at PG..he doesn't and more head scratching/nail biting/hair pulling next season)
- Boone (great season. I still like him off the bench with Marcus or he would be a good compliment to a "star" frontcourt player that we've been looking for)
- Ager (doesn't make much so can be trade fodder but the brief time he's come on he's not been that bad...wouldn't mind seeing him get a full summer working out / training camp & with Nets next year to see what he can do in a new environment)
Consistency is lacking on this team (from VC / Devin / bench / coaching). Roles / Minutes need to be defined early next season. Can't be juggling constantly with player (esp bench) not knowing when/where their minutes are coming and what is expected of them. VC can't be robin anymore. Kidd is gone and as long as he is a Nets this is now his team to lead. I think Devin will be really good next year with a summer resting his injury / had time to get familiar with VC/RJ/etc. He works on that Drexler-esque jumpshot of his and he can be the talk of next season.
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I don't know.
From that article(the Dave D Star Ledger 4 page one) I now fully believe RJ is gone. People on here are saying we can't get much for him, we need him with a certain style of play, he is an original Net, etc, etc, but I believe he is gone next year.
Whether that is for another SF such as Odom, AK47 or Al Harrington, or it is for a 4/5 such as JO, or if it is for expirings, draft picks and young talent, I believe he is gone for real this time.
You know I have believed it has been a chemistry issue for a long time now, so even if we get a different SF for him it might do us a lot of good.
I am more concerned with the draft. I don't want to see another Antoine Wright debacle, where Rod leaves a Danny Granger, Monta Ellis, Hakim Warrick, David Lee, Nate Robinson or Jarrett Jack out there for a guy that will be lucky to stay in the league after his rookie deal is up.
I know the draft is a crap shoot sometimes, and we have had some succesful drafts, but we don't need another Planinic, Wright, Collins or Armstrong under the theory of taking the best NBA ready contributor.
From that article(the Dave D Star Ledger 4 page one) I now fully believe RJ is gone. People on here are saying we can't get much for him, we need him with a certain style of play, he is an original Net, etc, etc, but I believe he is gone next year.
Whether that is for another SF such as Odom, AK47 or Al Harrington, or it is for a 4/5 such as JO, or if it is for expirings, draft picks and young talent, I believe he is gone for real this time.
You know I have believed it has been a chemistry issue for a long time now, so even if we get a different SF for him it might do us a lot of good.
I am more concerned with the draft. I don't want to see another Antoine Wright debacle, where Rod leaves a Danny Granger, Monta Ellis, Hakim Warrick, David Lee, Nate Robinson or Jarrett Jack out there for a guy that will be lucky to stay in the league after his rookie deal is up.
I know the draft is a crap shoot sometimes, and we have had some succesful drafts, but we don't need another Planinic, Wright, Collins or Armstrong under the theory of taking the best NBA ready contributor.
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Hey heres some good news about the LeBron sweepstakes
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=njn
watch that video of Stephen A. Smith
He basically said that LeBron had a lot of interest in Dallas up until the Kidd trade because he loved the direction they were moving in and the young players. He really loves Devin Harris and thinks he will be a star pg. This really heightens his interest in the Nets.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=njn
watch that video of Stephen A. Smith
He basically said that LeBron had a lot of interest in Dallas up until the Kidd trade because he loved the direction they were moving in and the young players. He really loves Devin Harris and thinks he will be a star pg. This really heightens his interest in the Nets.
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NetsForce wrote:Some of these quotes kind of highlight the Nets' problem though. BOTH Vince and Richard are great players the problem is that their perceived value is less than their actual value... Further complicating things is the fact that realistically speaking, at least one of them has to go in order for the Nets to take the next step in their rebuilding / retooling plan...
That's what happens when a team severely underperforms compared to expectations. Missing the playoffs, and the way we missed it, hurts more. Kidd was the only one who still had good perceived value around the league, even with the ginormous contract. Thorn did well to move Kidd when he did.
Trading RJ for value won't be as easy as some of us armchair-GMs think. I'm an RJ fan, but I'm very aware of the shortfalls in his game. I disagree with comments of him being selfish (single anonymous quotes are mostly meaningless). RJ's problems are a result of RJ's own basketball limitations. He works hard to improve one aspects of his game, but then other parts of his game suffer. He's just not complete enough player, and doesn't excel in enough areas to cancel out his weaknesses to make him a hot trade commodity.
VC has value. He has drawing power, elite name recognition. If he wants to, his knees and ankles aren't crippled, he still plays at an all-star level. He finished out the season strong, without Kidd. I think his value would be higher than RJ's in getting a quality big. He's still playing out the season strong ... I wonder if it's because he wants to stay, and the Nets are his team now, or is it because VC is showcasing himself to be traded.
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I'm an RJ fan, but I'm very aware of the shortfalls in his game.
I really could care less much about that. He had the same rap coming out of Arizona, and he's been a great character guy since being a Net. But I agree the limitations are there.
First of all, SFs are the easiest position to find in the NBA. Secondly, the position the Nets need the most (big man) are the most valued commodity in the game, so the good ones won't be available.
I did briefly thought about a scenario: RJ to Dallas for Josh Howard.
Josh and Devin are best friends and already know how to play with each other. Kidd and RJ have been good friends, and if we are to believe the rumors, it was Vince that Kidd had problems with not RJ (although RJ recently went public in saying that Kidd's situation made things worse for the team), so Kidd would probably welcome playing with RJ again.
Salary wise, Howard is cheaper than RJ, a plus for New Jersey. For Dallas, I think RJ would be a perfect compliment to Dirk's perimeter game, and especially since RJ doesn't need plays run for him.
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Serpo wrote:Devin has not 1 year left he signed a 5 year extension in Dallas last offseason.
Hoops Hype has it only one more season.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
Here is another site with salaries:
http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/New-Jersey-Nets-Salaries
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http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/ ... 3-million/
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 55365.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3017501
These sites aren't properly uppdated he HAS signed an extension in the offseason. Do you really think we would have traded for Devin for a 1.5 year rent ?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 55365.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3017501
These sites aren't properly uppdated he HAS signed an extension in the offseason. Do you really think we would have traded for Devin for a 1.5 year rent ?
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Serpo wrote:http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/13/dallas-gives-devin-harris-five-years-43-million/
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 55365.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3017501
These sites aren't properly uppdated he HAS signed an extension in the offseason. Do you really think we would have traded for Devin for a 1.5 year rent ?
They are right because it doesnt kick in until next season. Thats why they arent showing it....but in reality he is sign thru 2013.
Harris, entering his fourth season, will earn $3.99 million this season. According to a source, the extension will kick in for the 2008-09 season and is worth more than the five-year, $42.6 million deal Milwaukee point guard Mo Williams signed recently.
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HotShots wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Hoops Hype has it only one more season.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
Here is another site with salaries:
http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/New-Jersey-Nets-Salaries
As a rule of thumb NEVER use Hoopshypes salaries. www.shamsports.com has more up-to-date / accurate salary information, or you could always use my Nets' salaries which are still better than Hoopshypes'

When it doubt you can also always ask in the CBA / Business related section of the RealGM forums, guys like FGump are usually pretty quick to respond to questions like this

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NetsForce wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
As a rule of thumb NEVER use Hoopshypes salaries. www.shamsports.com has more up-to-date / accurate salary information, or you could always use my Nets' salaries which are still better than Hoopshypes'
When it doubt you can also always ask in the CBA / Business related section of the RealGM forums, guys like FGump are usually pretty quick to respond to questions like this
Yes, shamsports is on point, and some of the stuff on there is down right hilarious.