Wait...so what happens if LAL, HOU, NOH all win out?

Sting3r · Post #1 » by **Sting3r** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:56 pm

That would be a 3 way tie for first place. What would determine first place?

LAL has the h2h tie breaker over NOH.

NOH has the h2h tie breaker over HOU.

HOU has the h2h tie breaker over LAL.

joe.linnen · Post #2 » by **joe.linnen** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:02 pm

The the conference record comes into play

lunatic4jc · Post #3 » by **lunatic4jc** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:05 pm

i read somewhere about the H2H match ups between the 3 teams

HOU is 4-3 vs LAL & NOH
NOH is 4-4 vs HOU & LAL
LAL is 3-4 vs NOH & HOU

i'm not 100% sure if that's accurate.. but i think if they all win out it would be

1. hou
2. noh
3. lal

Sting3r · Post #4 » by **Sting3r** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:07 pm

so houston would be first place in the conference despite not even winning their own division? That doesn't seem to make much sense.

ljp24 · Post #5 » by **ljp24** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:15 pm

Sting3r wrote:so houston would be first place in the conference despite not even winning their own division? That doesn't seem to make much sense.

the division leader is just guaranteed a top 4 finish

lunatic4jc · Post #6 » by **lunatic4jc** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:16 pm

Sting3r wrote:so houston would be first place in the conference despite not even winning their own division? That doesn't seem to make much sense.

this ain't college football :lol:

Post #7 » by **corona** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:21 pm

always decide division winners first.

lakers are winners of pacific.
new orleans are winners of southwest because they have the tiebreaker over houston. and because of that, houston can't be seeded above new orleans in the standings...they didn't win the division, and it takes precedence over head to head matchups or conference records.

lakers own the tiebreaker over new orleans....so they get #1 seed.
new orleans gets #2 for being the southwest division winner but losing the tiebreaker to lal.

then comes houston (better record than utah/san antonio)
then utah (northwest division winner)
then san antonio.
and so on.

King Bryant · Post #8 » by **King Bryant** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:29 pm

According to Mike Breen "All Hell would then break loose." lol :lol:

That Nicka · Post #9 » by **That Nicka** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:31 pm

lunatic4jc wrote:i read somewhere about the H2H match ups between the 3 teams

HOU is 4-3 vs LAL & NOH
NOH is 4-4 vs HOU & LAL
LAL is 3-4 vs NOH & HOU

i'm not 100% sure if that's accurate.. but i think if they all win out it would be

1. hou
2. noh
3. lal

I believe this is correct... this is how they broke it down on the post game as well...

andykeikei · Post #10 » by **andykeikei** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:35 pm

No, division title will come first. So NO will stay in front of Houston. Then we compare them with the Lakers, and the Lakers would win because of better conference record. That's what I understand, and that's why they showed the little message on ABC that "Lakers would clinch first seed if they win against Kings on Tuesday".

corona has explained it perfectly earlier, we have control of our own fate. Hopefully we can get it done on Tuesday.

bstein14 · Post #11 » by **bstein14** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:44 pm

If 3 teams are tied, the team who gets the highest seed is the team with the best winning % in the games against the tied teams.

So Houston would get the #1 seed, but not win their division.

That Nicka · Post #12 » by **That Nicka** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:56 pm

andykeikei wrote:No, division title will come first. So NO will stay in front of Houston. Then we compare them with the Lakers, and the Lakers would win because of better conference record. That's what I understand, and that's why they showed the little message on ABC that "Lakers would clinch first seed if they win against Kings on Tuesday".

corona has explained it perfectly earlier, we have control of our own fate. Hopefully we can get it done on Tuesday.

Uhm.. ok.. They JUST said on tv that if all three teams win out that the Rockets will be #1

That Nicka · Post #13 » by **That Nicka** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:57 pm

KingLakers wrote:I was just at NBA.com I was reading the tiebreakers. According to that if more than 2 teams finish with identical records the highest seed is decided by which team has the best winning percentage against the other teams they are tied with. So if this info is right Houston takes the number 1 seed because the are 4-3 against the Lakers and Hornets. Lakers are 3-4 against the Hornets and Rockets. And the Hornets are 4-4 against the Rockets and Lakers. Those two losses against Charlotte and Memphis are looking huge right now.

Post #14 » by **corona** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:05 am

bstein14 wrote:If 3 teams are tied, the team who gets the highest seed is the team with the best winning % in the games against the tied teams.

no, it's not.

the division winner takes precedence over head to head matchups.
think about it this way...

if the nba decided seedings in the above way new orleans would win their division, but houston (same division) would be seeded ahead of them.

that doesn't make any sense at all.

http://sportsline.com/nba/story/7164305

MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIED
1. If applicable, division champions must be determined first.

you decide the division champs using the two team criteria. which puts new orleans over houston. and then you decide everything else.

.

abc/espn are wrong. (what else is new?)

T-Mac for MVP · Post #15 » by **T-Mac for MVP** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:06 am

On the ABC telecast of the LA/SA game they flashed on the screen a few times "If Lakers win today (vs. spurs) and Tuesday vs. Kings they will clinch the #1 spot in the West".

T-Mac for MVP wrote:No no I just worked it out. Here's how it would go down if all 3 teams: NO, HOU, and LA win out their remaining games and end up 57-25; First and foremost we have to determine the division winner so it comes down to HOU vs. NO and the season series is tied 2-2; so next we have to look and division record which NO has the edge on. So NO WOULD BE AHEAD OF HOU IN THE STANDINGS. So then it becomes NO vs. LA which LA has the tie breaker over NO, so Lakers would be 1, NO 2, and Houston 3. Even though if it was Hou vs. LA Houston would have the tie-breaker, but remember must determine division winner first.

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #16 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:07 am

It makes sense corona's way.

Post #17 » by **corona** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:08 am

T-Mac for MVP wrote:On the ABC telecast of the LA/SA game they flashed on the screen a few times "If Lakers win today (vs. spurs) and Tuesday vs. Kings they will clinch the #1 spot in the West".

that's incorrect.

if houston wins out, and new orleans drops (at least) one game....

houston and the lakers will be tied for the #1 seed at 57-25, both as division winners. houston owns the tiebreaker (2-1), thus they'd have the #1 seed.

Crooked-I · Post #18 » by **Crooked-I** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:09 am

corona wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

you decide the division champs using the two team criteria. which puts new orleans over houston. and then you decide everything else.

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abc/espn are wrong. (what else is new?)

They were saying that they asked the league offices and that's what they told them. It doesn't make any sense since the rulebook says division champs must be determined first. Unless there's a rule change we don't know about.

bstein14 · Post #19 » by **bstein14** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:11 am

According to the NBA rules, if 3 teams are tied, seeding is determined by best winning % among those teams.

Division winners are guaranteed a top 4 seed.

Other than that, Division winners do not determine playoff seeding.

Division winners(tiebreakers) are determined prior to playoff seeding.

Example, they name a division winner, then they look at tie breakers to determine seedings.

Post #20 » by **corona** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:14 am

KobeIsKing24 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
They were saying that they asked the league offices and that's what they told them. It doesn't make any sense since the rulebook says division champs must be determined first. Unless there's a rule change we don't know about.

from nba.com
http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html
"ties to determine the division winners must be broken before any other ties."