New Orleans (55-24) at Sacramento (37-42)

Post #41 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:20 am

Cruel_Ruin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Right now is the worst time of the season to be caring about wins. This "win" cost us:

1. Valuable crunchtime experience for Hawes and Shelden
2. A chance to keep the Lakers away from the top spot
3. Some breathing room from Portland in terms of draft picks

We will only catch Portland if we win the final two games (against the Spurs and Lakers--not likely), and if we had kept Shelden and Spencer in, there wouldn't have been a crunch time. So that argument is kind of moot.

And while it's nice to not help the Lakers, we shouldn't ever lose on purpose just to hurt them. That's ridiculous.

Post #42 » by **KF10** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:23 am

I just have a feeling that we will win the last 2 games IMO. We will end the season with the record of 40-42.

Hopefully, Im wrong... :lol:

Ballings7 · Post #43 » by **Ballings7** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:30 am

I didn't like how Grant and Jerry said this earlier in the game about Spencer...

Grant: "(emphatically) And he's the first one down the floor *to offense*"

Jerry: (emphatically) "As he will be almost every time"

They related to it a bit more as well soon after

I think they forgot about a main responsibility of the center, which is to defensive rebound the basketball.

If anything, it should be the opposite for Spencer, with Spencer early down the floor/leaking out, significantly less than so. Picking the spots for that.

Now, that mini-topic from them about Spencer's floor position may of been relating to very early part of his career. But they didn't specify or anything. Especially considering it's a young player who will be a top player on the team in the starting line-up.

Just found that strange.

BMiller52 · Post #44 » by **BMiller52** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:44 am

I didn't know Xzibit was a Kings fan :clap:

. That's awesome. Nice win though, I was impressed by Spencer a lot and Shelden was decent also I guess.

Cruel_Ruin · Post #45 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:01 am

mitchweber wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We will only catch Portland if we win the final two games (against the Spurs and Lakers--not likely), and if we had kept Shelden and Spencer in, there wouldn't have been a crunch time. So that argument is kind of moot.

And while it's nice to not help the Lakers, we shouldn't ever lose on purpose just to hurt them. That's ridiculous.

Mikki and Salmons weren't exactly the reasons for our win, it was mostly Ron and Cisco. If Shelden and Spencer were in for those two, it wouldn't have made a big difference. Our defense might have been worse, and we might have lost, but so what? I'm still failing to see why winning is so worthwhile that we have to sacrifice valuable gametime experience for our best prospect.

SacKingZZZ · Post #46 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:19 am

KingInExile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, we all know that there is such a HUGE difference between the 12th and 13th pick...especially in this draft.

Well last year happened to be a year where there were just about, almost exactly 12 legit prospects. This year maybe not, but it's never a bad thing to have a better pick when you are a bad team.

GO PORTLAND!!!

Post #47 » by **Wolfay** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:21 am

What the hell is wrong with some of you people? We beat the number 1 team in the West and you're upset?

What kind of sick and twisted world do we live in where losing is a good thing? Some of you seriously need your head examined.

RoyalCourtJestr · Post #48 » by **RoyalCourtJestr** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:31 am

KingInExile wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, we all know that there is such a HUGE difference between the 12th and 13th pick...especially in this draft.

Watch, Portland is gonna get past us and then get the top pick again XD

I absolutely love the victory, hate the loss in the lotto, and hate the fact that the Lakers got closer to top seed. Perhaps the lotto gods will shine upon our "we still tried!' edness instead of the tankers. Again. Light knows we need it.

Ballings7 · Post #49 » by **Ballings7** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:35 am

Hawes playing against Duncan will be fun on Monday

SacKingZZZ · Post #50 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:08 am

Wolfay wrote:What the hell is wrong with some of you people? We beat the number 1 team in the West and you're upset?

What kind of sick and twisted world do we live in where losing is a good thing? Some of you seriously need your head examined.

I don't think anyone here is damning the team because they won. This is one of those wins that IMO is worth moving down a spot! But....if we can get the icing on the cake too then great. :clap:

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #51 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:21 am

Very good win

Post #52 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:35 am

Wolfay wrote:What the hell is wrong with some of you people? We beat the number 1 team in the West and you're upset?

What kind of sick and twisted world do we live in where losing is a good thing? Some of you seriously need your head examined.

A-MEN BRUDDA!

mobiuseinz · Post #53 » by **mobiuseinz** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:35 pm

I love that we're playing spoiler =]

I just wish we would have beaten the warrors a few days ago... man...

MS-13_Slayer · Post #54 » by **MS-13_Slayer** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:54 pm

Excellent game.

I got see Quincy Douby and Francisco Garcia at BJ's Brewery last night. I was there getting f***ed up, and in walks my favorite King -- Francisco. It was a good night....I offered to buy him a beer, but he respectfully declined...lol

sackings916 · Post #55 » by **sackings916** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:25 pm

^the one in Elk Grove or a different one?

Post #56 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:26 pm

Cruel_Ruin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Mikki and Salmons weren't exactly the reasons for our win, it was mostly Ron and Cisco. If Shelden and Spencer were in for those two, it wouldn't have made a big difference. Our defense might have been worse, and we might have lost, but so what? I'm still failing to see why winning is so worthwhile that we have to sacrifice valuable gametime experience for our best prospect.

We won because our our team defense with the lineup of Beno/Cisco/Salmons/Artest/Moore. So yes, they were completely integral parts to our win.

Winning is worth while because it maintains a positive attitude about the franchise. Spencer will get plenty of late game experience when he earns it--and he's not too far away from earning it. But like I said, if Spencer goes in for Mikki in the middle of the 4th, there is no crunch time to speak of.

VeeJay24 · Post #57 » by **VeeJay24** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:40 pm

mitchweber wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We won because our our team defense with the lineup of Beno/Cisco/Salmons/Artest/Moore. So yes, they were completely integral parts to our win.

Winning is worth while because it maintains a positive attitude about the franchise. Spencer will get plenty of late game experience when he earns it--and he's not too far away from earning it. But like I said, if Spencer goes in for Mikki in the middle of the 4th, there is no crunch time to speak of.

Exactly, I never heard of people not wanting to win!!!! :crazy:

Maybe you say to yourself it wouldn't be so bad if we loss because of the draft pick but you never get mad if you do win. Besides where the Kings are winning is going to matter much anyway.

About the Lakers.....Did the Kings really help them? I mean in the West I don't know if it really matters if you're #1. You could be out in the 1st or 2nd round anyway. And really do you think the Kings' players are thinking "Uh oh, if we win this guys we will be helping the Lakers"?

And as far as the Blazers what would picking 1 pick higher do? Right now there rebuilding is basically complete, they just need experience. Maybe they could use a PG but they would be basically drafting for depth. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded the pick myself.

Ever heard of a player learning from watching what a veteran player does in situations like the end of the game? When those veteran big guys finish that game both Williams & Hawes should have been grilling Moore & Artest just too learn about the defensive rotations at the end of the game.
You don't just learn from playing you learn from sitting as well. Don't worry Hawes' and Williams' time will come!

d0rkus916 · Post #58 » by **d0rkus916** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:44 pm

sackings916 wrote:^the one in Elk Grove or a different one?

that's quite far, i'm pretty sure it's the one in natomas, which isn't that far away from the arco

MS-13_Slayer · Post #59 » by **MS-13_Slayer** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:20 am

sackings916 wrote:^the one in Elk Grove or a different one?

Natomas

Cruel_Ruin · Post #60 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:05 pm

mitchweber wrote:We won because our our team defense with the lineup of Beno/Cisco/Salmons/Artest/Moore. So yes, they were completely integral parts to our win.

Agree to disagree then. The Hornets failed to penetrate our zone, and we closed out on shooters well. Mikki and Salmons were a part of it, but weren't the main reason for it. You could argue we would lose, but there is no doubt in my mind that it would have been close.

mitchweber wrote:Winning is worth while because it maintains a positive attitude about the franchise. Spencer will get plenty of late game experience when he earns it--and he's not too far away from earning it. But like I said, if Spencer goes in for Mikki in the middle of the 4th, there is no crunch time to speak of.

If these games were so critical for winning, then why is our best player picking and choosing to play in any game that interests him? Isn't this in the way of the whole "banding together as a team" and "positive attitude" concept?

Winning and losing is an part of the NBA cycle. A win or loss today means very little in the grand scheme of things because this was ultimately a losing campaign. Do you think the Hornets not making the playoffs last year had any bearing on their wildly successful campaign this year?