no, division winners are guaranteed a top 4 seed.
in your scenario (1. rockets 2. hornets 3. spurs 4. lakers 5. jazz) the actual seeds would be 1. rockets 2. hornets 3. lakers. 4. jazz. 5 spurs with the spurs having homecourt over the jazz.
Wait...so what happens if LAL, HOU, NOH all win out?
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dcash4 wrote:no, division winners are guaranteed a top 4 seed.
in your scenario (1. rockets 2. hornets 3. spurs 4. lakers 5. jazz) the actual seeds would be 1. rockets 2. hornets 3. lakers. 4. jazz. 5 spurs with the spurs having homecourt over the jazz.
That's what I feel ridiculous.
They can't just apply the tie-breaker at the first seed and after determining the 1st, then change the tie-breaker to another one.
According to the 4 teams tied for first seed, it is winning %, then it should be 1 to 4. Right now, they are all quoting this tie-breaker for 3 teams tie-break if Rockets win (no way), and Lakers become 3rd seed accordingly.
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kobesfan wrote:yeah, they can do it just like last season. But there will be two division winners here (Lakers and Utah) this season with the assumption I've made.
To make it clear, if Lakers, Hornets, Spurs, Rockets all finish with 56-26, the tie-breakers will be the winning % between these 4 teams. Then the order will probably be Rockets, Hornets, Spurs, Lakers as 1 to 4 seeds.
With that, Lakers and Utah are both division winners and they are now 4 and 5 seeds. See!!!!
That's incorrect because Lakers would be secured a top 3 seed by winning their division and having a better record than the Jazz.
3 team from the same division (Spurs, Hornets, Rockets) can't be in the top 4 seeds. The team who comes out worst in the tiebreaker situation (even if they come up in front of the Lakers) will get the 5th seed.
Lakers cannot finish lower than 3rd in any scenario, and Jazz can't finish lower than 4th in any scenario.
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tkb wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That's incorrect because Lakers would be secured a top 3 seed by winning their division and having a better record than the Jazz.
3 team from the same division (Spurs, Hornets, Rockets) can't be in the top 4 seeds. The team who comes out worst in the tiebreaker situation (even if they come up in front of the Lakers) will get the 5th seed.
Lakers cannot finish lower than 3rd in any scenario, and Jazz can't finish lower than 4th in any scenario.
I don't really know, but if all 4 teams end up 56-26, the tie-breaker should be winning % between these 4, which Houston is still winning, (Houston 6-5, Spurs and NOH both 6-6, Lakers 5-6). How can we be third if so? Unless they switch back to 3 teams tie-break and conf record after the first seed is determined.
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dude, are u reading? 
the 3 division winners are guaranteed a top 4 spot. the lakers by virtue of record and tie breaker CAN NOT fall behind the jazz, so the lakers are guaranteed to be 2nd best division winner. the worst the jazz can do is the 4th seed and since the lakers are guaranteed to be above them, the worst the lakers can do is the 3rd seed.
the 3 division winners are guaranteed a top 4 spot. the lakers by virtue of record and tie breaker CAN NOT fall behind the jazz, so the lakers are guaranteed to be 2nd best division winner. the worst the jazz can do is the 4th seed and since the lakers are guaranteed to be above them, the worst the lakers can do is the 3rd seed.
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kobesfan wrote:I don't really know, but if all 4 teams end up 56-26, the tie-breaker should be winning % between these 4, which Houston is still winning, (Houston 6-5, Spurs and NOH both 6-6, Lakers 5-6). How can we be third if so? Unless they switch back to 3 teams tie-break and conf record after the first seed is determined.
Because the rules clearly state that you secure a top 4 spot by winning your own division. Record doesn't matter, you automatically get 4th or better by winning your division.
Lakers and Jazz have both won their own division, so they are both secured to be in the top 4. Since Jazz can't catch Lakers, Lakers will get 3rd at the absolute worst case scenario.
However you twist it, 3 teams from the same division can't be in the top 4 because of the reward divisional champs get. It's not possible.
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tkb wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Because the rules clearly state that you secure a top 4 spot by winning your own division. Record doesn't matter, you automatically get 4th or better by winning your division.
Lakers and Jazz have both won their own division, so they are both secured to be in the top 4. Since Jazz can't catch Lakers, Lakers will get 3rd at the absolute worst case scenario.
However you twist it, 3 teams from the same division can't be in the top 4 because of the reward divisional champs get. It's not possible.
I'm not trying to twist it, just pointing out a possible contradiction in the two rules.
For one, we have a tie-breaker for multi-teams tied for the first seed (winning % among all teams tied), like the one all media were quoting when Lakers won over NOH).
Then, we have another rule about top 4 seeds at the least for the 3 division winners.
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as ppl have stated earlier, the 3 division champs and the team with the next best record whos not a division winner are automatically the top 4 seeds. utah and the lakers have won their divisions, but since utah cant catch the lakers, the worse the jazz can do is the 4th seed and the worse the lakers can do is the 3rd seed. its really not THAT complicated. esp now that houston already lost earlier on sunday to denver.
having said that, homecourt advantage is still determined by record. so say the 5th seed has a better record than the 4th seed (which could happen since san antonio, new orleans, and houston all play in the same situation), then the 5th seed would still have homecourt against the 4th seed (which is looking more and more like utah).
having said that, homecourt advantage is still determined by record. so say the 5th seed has a better record than the 4th seed (which could happen since san antonio, new orleans, and houston all play in the same situation), then the 5th seed would still have homecourt against the 4th seed (which is looking more and more like utah).