MVP Watch 2008... Part 5

[shobe_81]

I didn't think it was stupid at all. It merely shows that Kobe's team was very average until Gasol arrived.

Lebronze isn't even in the discussion this year because his team is 4th in the East.

My simple question: Would Kobe be mentioned if the Lakers were still 7th?

Look at my Edited Post above to your silly question!

[eatyourchildren]

Most teams aren't elite without their best big. That's not exactly surprising. I don't see how that's a knock against Kobe though, especially when Bynum and Gasol were out they played against some of the better teams in the league notwithstanding two bad losses to MEM and CHA.

[Kobay]

:rofl: @ Kobe fans.

Guys, it's gonna be a close vote no matter what. There's several deserving players. I'm sorry that everyone isn't bowing down to the Lord of the Universe, Kobe Bryant, but it's not gonna happen.

It's like you want him to be treated like Jordan or something. What would be good enough for you guys?

Who says Jordan in any post? Who says its not going to be close race? From their post you should get that how media people are hypocrites.

[eatyourchildren]

ClipperEric, you're acting like its some kind of travesty that Kobe with Kwame Brown as their starting center was only a .500 team without both Bynum and Gasol, when CP with Chandler and West was only 2 games better against those same teams.

[ClipperEric]

Sorry to offend. I forgot how fired up the Kobe lovers can get.

[ILikeTheGrizz]

I don't know if you read the ESPN analysis but ILikeGrizz, did you read it?

Do you really think that Kobe should come in 4th in the MVP voting?

I feel either Kobe or Paul should get the award but to say Kobe doesn't deserve it because the award isn't a life-achievement award? Come on man, you know Kobe has been exceptional throughout the season!

All I'm saying is, Chad Ford and Hollinger are talking out of their Arses!

Not everyone is gonna have the same opinion as you. KG has led the greatest turn around in NBA history. LeBron has had a season for the ages. Ya know, if LeBron or KG won it wouldn't be like everyone in the sports world would rise up because a totally undeserving player won it right? They have an argument. This thread has decided it's not as good, but if the voters decide at the last second "Wow the **** Celtics are the best team in the NBA, maybe I'm thinking too hard" or "Jesus, look at what LeBron did on the court! He did everything he could that team sucks!" then it is what it is. Not a joke.

It's not gonna be unanimous. I encourage you to look at the MVP shares at basketball-reference. The only ones that even come close are Jordan in 96 and Shaq in 00. It's like you guys knew it'd be close, but assumed that to mean every voter said "It's really close, but it's Kobe". No. A "close race" means the other guy gets alot of first place votes too. In this race, it means the 3 and 4 get some first place votes as well.

[eatyourchildren]

Sorry to offend. I forgot how fired up the Kobe lovers can get.

You haven't offended. Well, you offended my sensibilities by firing up arguments that were made and quashed like 30 pages ago.

[ILikeTheGrizz]

Okay calm down. ClipperEric, do 10 "Our Kobe" and 20 "Hail Vanessa" and sin no more.

[ClipperEric]

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a Clipper fan, and we don't have a lot to be proud of this year....except for our new star Al Thornton.

I'm just having fun with the Laker fans. Just like in real life, they get all in a fit and start fussing when you speak ill of Kobe.

[tracey_nice]

^^n0ob

[shobe_81]

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Not everyone is gonna have the same opinion as you. KG has led the greatest turn around in NBA history. LeBron has had a season for the ages. Ya know, if LeBron or KG won it wouldn't be like everyone in the sports world would rise up because a totally undeserving player won it right? They have an argument. This thread has decided it's not as good, but if the voters decide at the last second "Wow the **** Celtics are the best team in the NBA, maybe I'm thinking too hard" or "Jesus, look at what LeBron did on the court! He did everything he could that team sucks!" then it is what it is. Not a joke.

It's not gonna be unanimous. I encourage you to look at the MVP shares at basketball-reference. The only ones that even come close are Jordan in 96 and Shaq in 00. It's like you guys knew it'd be close, but assumed that to mean every voter said "It's really close, but it's Kobe". No. A "close race" means the other guy gets alot of first place votes too. In this race, it means the 3 and 4 get some first place votes as well.

Greatest turnaround in History?

A crappy team adding two All-Stars along with an All-Star already on the team while the previous year their all-star played about half of the season? Yes amazing greatest turnaround!

And where were the Wolves last year?

Cleveland is 44 and 36, that doesn't even get them a playoff spot in the West, why should Lebron be considered when Kobe put up 35 PPG with 5 Assists and 5 Boards and didn't win MVP with a crappy squad that included Kwame, Smush Parker, and Brian Cook with undeveloped role players?

[shobe_81]

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a Clipper fan, and we don't have a lot to be proud of this year....except for our new star Al Thornton.

I'm just having fun with the Laker fans. Just like in real life, they get all in a fit and start fussing when you speak ill of Kobe.

Because we have something to talk about unlike the "Other" franchise, wait are they from LA? That is just a disgrace

[eatyourchildren]

It's not gonna be unanimous. I encourage you to look at the MVP shares at basketball-reference. The only ones that even come close are Jordan in 96 and Shaq in 00. It's like you guys knew it'd be close, but assumed that to mean every voter said "It's really close, but it's Kobe". No. A "close race" means the other guy gets alot of first place votes too. In this race, it means the 3 and 4 get some first place votes as well.

Of course it's not going to be unanimous. But the frustration is with those pundits (like Jon Barry) who were going to decide the MVP on the final weeks (of which Kobe has been the best) and decide to "give it to CP3/KG" no matter what.

Acceptable "closeness" would be like, Kobe getting a lot of 1's and 2's, some 3's. Not Kobe getting 4th a bunch of times.

[JDawg]

You know whats funny:

JUST how many of the former players Kobe has played with that NOW that are no longer on his team, CANT EVEN GET playing time on some of the crappiest teams league wide.

Kwame and Smush for example, played 35-40mpg as the STARTERS at center and PG for Kobe. LOL.

That must be a joke. To this day, I cant believe I can still type that comment.

Neither plays for their crappy team.

Brian Cook doenst play for Orlando.

Luke and Vlad??? IF they were on other teams, they probably woudlnt play either. Thats the funny thing. A guy like Cook would have been gettign 20mpg rihgt now if he was with the lakers and people woudl compliemnt on how he was such a great shooter and provided such good depth for LA, yet in Orlando, he cant even get off the pine.

Similar to a chucky atkins in LA.

Its laughable the type of talent Kobe has had beside him these last few years. I alwasy said give Kobe a competent team of players, he'll give you results. And they aretn all competent either....ESPECIALLY DEFENSIVELY.

Now look.

[shobe_81]

But but JDawg, Kobe's had Gasol since the all-star break even though he didn't play about 12 games! So why should Kobe get it? Come on man!

[ILikeTheGrizz]

Greatest turnaround in History?

A crappy team adding two All-Stars along with an All-Star already on the team while the previous year their all-star played about half of the season? Yes amazing greatest turnaround!

Uhh, yeah it is. Do you read/listen to things that don't involve Kobe? Like two weeks ago or whatever it was the biggest story in the NBA. Last year they won 24 games, good for last in the conference. This year they've won 64 games, best in the league. That's a record. It is the greatest turnaround in league history, it's the first time a team has ever went from worst to first in it's conference.

I don't know why you want to get sarcastic with facts.

And where were the Wolves last year?

Who cares? I don't have KG first. I'm just telling you that some people will vote for him for MVP- at the very least ahead of Kobe- and they'll use that he's one of the very best players on the best team in the NBA that happened to be the second worst last year without him.

Cleveland is 44 and 36, that doesn't even get them a playoff spot in the West,

Again, who cares? I'm not arguing for LeBron. But some people will vote for James for MVP- at the very least ahead of Kobe- and they'll use that he's probably the best player in the NBA and he just had a sick season on a team that would struggle to win 20 games without him.

why should Lebron be considered when Kobe put up 35 PPG with 5 Assists and 5 Boards and didn't win MVP with a crappy squad that included Kwame, Smush Parker, and Brian Cook with undeveloped role players?

Because that was 2006 and this is 2008? Players don't need to compare to guys from other years, why should they? What's next? Why should Kobe win the 2007 scoring title in with 31.6 a game when Iverson scored 33 a game the year before and didn't win it!?!? Different years.

The point is in ten years- **** in two years- no one is gonna look at the 2008 MVP and think Kobe got robbed if he didn't win it. If Paul won it they'd be like "Wow, great stats- hey! That's like one of the best seasons by a PG ever! And he led his team to a big turnaround and maybe even kept basketball in NO!". If LeBron won it they'd be like "Whoa, look at that! That's like Jordan and Robertson, and that team sucked without him." If KG won it they'd be like "Yeah the Celtics were absolutely horrible and then all the sudden they tore through the season like nothing and he's why."

No one but the Kobe Faithful would be sitting there thinking about how Kobe got robbed (as they think every year) because there's other deserving players, too. MVP shares are a better way to gauge players anyway.

But this crying from the MVP frontrunner's fans is a third hilarious, a third sad, and a third disgusting. You people are sick in the head.

[eatyourchildren]

And yet you keep coming back for more. I thought you were done with the thread 50 pages ago.

[tracey_nice]

Who cares? I don't have KG first.



Again, who cares? I'm not arguing for LeBron.






But this crying from the MVP frontrunner's fans is a third hilarious, a third sad, and a third disgusting. You people are sick in the head.

People, do not make a point/argument if ILikeTheGrizz isn't arguing against it, seriously, who cares?

Also, you are sick in the head; I've never seen someone so self involved.

[semi-sentient]

It is pretty ridiculous that you guys are now complaining that Kobe won't be unanimous.

That's great, because I'm sure not a single poster has complained about that.

Some times I wonder if some of you even bother to read what is being posted.

The bulk of the complaints are coming as a result of guys like Hollinger and Ford voting like a bunch of peanut-brains. Why is that a big deal? Because it skews the voting results, and in a tight MVP race it could be the difference between being the MVP and being the runner-up. Again, I personally wouldn't be all that bothered if Hollinger/Ford/Abbott put CP3 as their #1 guy, but having LeBron above him is flat out ridiculous, particularly when you read why each of them voted the way they did. They are full of contradictions.

[NO-KG-AI]

Well their is no set criteria for MVP, so everyone has their own way of voting... Hollinger is almost always going to vote for the best PER.