Hammond on Sparky's show

jerrod · Post #61 » by **jerrod** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:31 pm

skones wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How many of us would have a huge problem with Mo if he could D up like Hinrich? Very few of us would. Hinrich makes smarter decisions with the ball as shown by his turnover rate compared to Mo's. We'd all be lobbying to keep Hinrich and Bogut while getting rid of everyone else.

i'd say the lack of penetration and creating around the rim for his teammates probably helps that turnover rate a lot

skones · Post #62 » by **skones** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:50 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Go over to the Bulls board sometime.

That team is in turmoil much like ours. Nobody seems to care in Chicago at this point. Of course he's going to be subject to his fair share of criticism. He brings defense to the table and you'd be hard pressed to find a better player than him to run our team. His shooting percentages have been awfully bad which certainly contribute to the Hinrich bashing over there. You wouldn't find the same thing on the Bulls boards this time last year.

Post #63 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:51 pm

Chuck...good catch...I forgot about Hughes.....he's been a fixture on Cleveland in these discussions for some damn long....

There are not a lot of easy destinations for either of our guards given their contractual liabilities. Remember how damn hard it was two years ago for Golden State to move Troy Murphy when he was still owed about $45 million?

I see Redd and Mo in the same light as Murphy......A guy who statistically was starting to put up some nice numbers in that 16/10 range on a losing team.....so he got over-rated big time.

europa · Post #64 » by **europa** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:54 pm

skones wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That team is in turmoil much like ours. Nobody seems to care in Chicago at this point. Of course he's going to be subject to his fair share of criticism. He brings defense to the table and you'd be hard pressed to find a better player than him to run our team. His shooting percentages have been awfully bad which certainly contribute to the Hinrich bashing over there. You wouldn't find the same thing on the Bulls boards this time last year.

A year ago he was named to the All Defense second team and was on the US international roster. Nobody was ripping on him then. He was being viewed as one of the league's top young PGs.

skones · Post #65 » by **skones** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:04 pm

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

A year ago he was named to the All Defense second team and was on the US international roster. Nobody was ripping on him then. He was being viewed as one of the league's top young PGs.

Exactly my point. That's why I think it makes sense for us to go after him and that's why I think it makes sense that he might be a "Hammond type guy." That's kind of how the Pistons were built. Guys that were outcasts in other places came to Detroit, bought into the idea of team ball and were extremely successful. Both Billups and Wallace, now arguably their two most important players, are thriving and have been for the last few years on a consistent 50+ win team.

It's not like Hinrich is having an awful year and is solely responsible for the Bulls mysterious decline. Ben Wallace wasn't the player he was last year (although many saw that coming). Ben Gordon was shooting a flat out bad percentage all year long (although it has come up in the last couple months when it was too late). Deng hasn't been the same player. The players turned on Skiles. That team just went to garbage. I have to think a lot of it is mental considering how promising that team looked for three years prior. A change of scenery would help a lot of their guys IMO.

Hinrich is no exception.

europa · Post #66 » by **europa** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:06 pm

I agree completely. I definitely think he's a Hammond type of guy and I'd love to pair him with Redd in the short term and another SG in the long term. I just don't think the Bucks and Bulls make good trade partners unfortunately. I've spent a lot of time trying to come up with trades that I think make sense for both teams that would bring Hinrich to the Bucks and I've struck out every time.

redred9 · Post #67 » by **redred9** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:20 pm

another 'Hammond-type' of guy on the Bulls would be the under utilised Thabo Sefalosha. I really liked what i saw of him when he was getting playing time. His role is obviously massively reduced since they picked up Hughes.
he cant shoot, but is potentially a wonderful wing defender, and often lined up at point guard for the Bulls.

i wonder what it would take to get him? Would we do CV/pick for Thabo/Tyrus?

Post #68 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:42 pm

Don't get me wrong, I like Hinrich quite a bit, but he gets overrated around here because he's not a Milwaukee Buck. Childress, Haslem and now Hinrich...it seems like there are a few here more than happy to bring in similar players to the ones we currently have: losers.

europa · Post #69 » by **europa** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:47 pm

Childress, Hinrich and Haslem are nothing like the players the Bucks currently have if for no other reason than all three of them are good defenders. There are plenty of other reasons to like them but that reason right there should be strong enough. I'm sick of this team chasing after offense and ignoring defense. Hammond appears to be a GM who won't fail in that regard the way Harris so often did. Based on Hammond's comments thus far, Hinrich, Childress and Haslem all seem to be his type of players.

fam3381 · Post #70 » by **fam3381** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:51 pm

europa wrote:I'm sick of this team chasing after offense and ignoring defense. Hammond appears to be a GM who won't fail in that regard the way Harris so often did. Based on Hammond's comments thus far, Hinrich, Childress and Haslem all seem to be his type of players.

Hey we did go after defense last summer...unfortunately our big defensive signings were Ivey and Ruffin, guys who aren't standout defenders, are well below average offensively, and shouldn't play more than 10 mpg.

Whoops

steger_3434 · Post #71 » by **steger_3434** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:52 pm

Hinrich is a poor shooter. Take out last years season and he's a 40.6% shooter for his career. I guess I'd be fine with Hinrich. He's a much better defender, but that's about it. He doesn't shoot well, he doesn't create well, he doesn't rebound great.

I'm just so sick of every player on this team save for maybe Bogut that I just with every one of them would be shipped out.

I still believe this team is going nowhere with Redd as the alpha dog. Hinrich won't take that title for him and Redd has shown us Bogut won't take that title from him. It's about time the Milwaukee Bucks start fresh and start moving in the right direction. With Redd as our lead guy we have been utter **** for his tenure. Don't bring up the playoffs, those teams sucked ass.

europa · Post #72 » by **europa** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:55 pm

fam3381 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Hey we did go after defense last summer...unfortunately our big defensive signings were Ivey and Ruffin, guys who aren't standout defenders, are well below average offensively, and shouldn't play more than 10 mpg.

Whoops

That's the Larry Harris approach. Bring in guys with some defensive ability who spend most of the game on the bench while building a core group of players who couldn't defend my deceased grandmother. Fortunately, Hammond appears to have a mindset 180 degrees removed from his predecessor.

Andrew34r · Post #73 » by **Andrew34r** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:04 pm

DrugBust wrote:Don't get me wrong, I like Hinrich quite a bit, but he gets overrated around here because he's not a Milwaukee Buck. Childress, Haslem and now Hinrich...it seems like there are a few here more than happy to bring in similar players to the ones we currently have: losers.

Andre Miller would be elected to the hall of fame if this board was voting.

Badger-in-Exile · Post #74 » by **Badger-in-Exile** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:27 pm

europa wrote:
I'm right there with you, MD. I like him a lot. He's been awful this season but he's had too many productive seasons - especially as being one of the game's top defensive guards - for me to believe what we've seen this season is the start of a downward trend. The problem is, the Bucks and Bulls make for terrible trade partners. The Bucks don't have anything the Bulls would covet. They need inside scoring; they don't need more perimeter shooters and that's all the Bucks have to offer are perimeter shooters.

Couldn't agree more. Hinrich would fit fine here, but I don't think it'll happen.

I don't believe there's much chance Sessions is the starting PG next season. Mo's contract will be fairly attractive and CV, Dez and our pick will almost certainly be leveraged, too. I'd be surprised if we don't bring in a veteran PG.