White/Black Athlete Debate

Pistol Pete Vescey · Post #261 » by **Pistol Pete Vescey** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:32 pm

JES12 wrote:Why has a thread of this topic been allowed to go 22 pages?

I'll let the author of the Slate article answer you:

Why write about this topic? Why hurt people's feelings? Why gratify bigots?

Because truth matters. Because the truth isn't as bad as our ignorant, half-formed fears and suspicions about it. And because you can't solve a problem till you understand it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178125/

JoshB914 · Post #262 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:08 pm

In the past 15 years, the best white American centers drafted have been Kaman and Pryzbilla. Kaman is a best, but other than that it's a pretty embarrassing group, and it's not like there haven't been white guys getting picked early (Big Country, Doleac, etc.)

buckley17 · Post #263 » by **buckley17** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:53 pm

I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this was brought up already. I was listening to a Sports Talk Radio show discussing how there are very few black African-American players playing Major League Baseball now. Most rosters are dominated by white and latin players. The general consensus was that somewhere in the last 20 years, black African-Americans no longer identified with baseball and the majority were now focussing on football and basketball.

Texas Longhorns · Post #264 » by **Texas Longhorns** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:02 pm

Black > White in sports.

Post #265 » by **Flash3** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:40 pm

Bankai wrote:Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is going to be President is fooling themselves. America is scared of the notion of having a Black President, or even a Female one. The most likely scenario is that going in to the voting, Obama and Clinton would like like clear winners, but strings are pulled and you will have your new President, John McCain.

Thier is also a reason where all the immigrants are the ones getting the best Academic rewards in each level of Education but to have that White Bully who barely attended class ending up being your new Boss.

and what bearing does this have on the subject of the black athlete vs the white athlete?

btw, Obama FTW :wordyo:

Post #266 » by **Flash3** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:41 pm

Texas Longhorns wrote:Black > White in sports.

Not at all true.

There are a number of sports that are/were dominated by Whites.

Post #267 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:15 pm

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[i]"Anyone who thinks Barack Obama is going to be President is fooling themselves. America is scared of the notion of having a Black President, or even a Female one. The most likely scenario is that going in to the voting, Obama and Clinton would like like clear winners, but strings are pulled and you will have your new President, John McCain. "[/i]

Still a better scenario than the one I keep hearing from my fiancee and many other blacks, they all think if Barak gets the nomination he'll be shot before he takes office.
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Philly Fresh · Post #268 » by **Philly Fresh** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:45 am

ILikeTheGrizz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Other than Yao, what's the difference?

Nash- European ethnicity

Dirk- European ethnicity

Ginobili- European ethnicity

90% of white people walking around the US- European ethnicity

It's like saing Deng or Olajuwon aren't black.

Sorry to bring this back so late into the thread,
But I'm almost certain Argentina is in South America...

kooldude · Post #269 » by **kooldude** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:55 am

Philly Fresh wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Sorry to bring this back so late into the thread,
But I'm almost certain Argentina is in South America...

Argentina is 97% Italian/Spanish so he's is from European descent.

Quiet-Storm · Post #270 » by **Quiet-Storm** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:36 am

I dont think white players are passed on in favour of equal level black players.

Actually I think its the opposite. When you have a decent white player, that player tends to get overhyped and publicized.

Guys like JJ reddick and Morrison for example got so much hype and I dare say its party cause they were white guys. (They both suck BIG-TIME in the NBA incase you forgot.)

JES12 · Post #271 » by **JES12** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:06 am

Pistol Pete Vescey wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'll let the author of the Slate article answer you:

http://www.slate.com/id/2178122/entry/2178125/

Nah man...I think you missed the point all together. My question...on the "General NBA Discussion" board was "Why has a thread of this topic been allowed to go 22 pages?"

Let me clarify that for you.

Why has a thread of this topic been allowed to go 22 pages [on a board other than Off-Topic]? This thread had no buisness being on the NBA general discussion board. The Mods slipped up here.

Post #272 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:23 am

Quiet-Storm wrote:I dont think white players are passed on in favour of equal level black players.

Actually I think its the opposite. When you have a decent white player, that player tends to get overhyped and publicized.

Guys like JJ reddick and Morrison for example got so much hype and I dare say its party cause they were white guys. (They both suck BIG-TIME in the NBA incase you forgot.)

Yup that's how I see it.

Doesn't matter if two black and white guys are equal athletes, the white guy always has "better work ethic, plays smart, and plays hard."

NyKnicks1714 · Post #273 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:34 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yup that's how I see it.

Doesn't matter if two black and white guys are equal athletes, the white guy always has "better work ethic, plays smart, and plays hard."

White guys almost always get the soft/poor defender label as well.

Post #274 » by **Devin 1L** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:14 am

I didn't read past the first page, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but I wanted to comment on it.

"How many times has a black player been criticized for showing emotion: beating his chest, raising his arms to the rafters, or screaming, after a dunk; or doing a little dance or a wiggle after making a play?

That's just emotion, but too often, it's criticized as "showboating'' or "bad sportsmanship.''

Yet when Hansbrough shows emotion, its "desire.''

To me, this isn't a race issue, but more of a character/personality issue.

For example, I can't stand some of Kenyon Martin or Antoine Walker's "displays", as they general come off as "showboating" or "bad sportsmanship". On the other hand, I love watching Kevin Garnett or Tyson Chandler's "displays".

It has nothing to do with race, I just think the former two are idiots who are making themselves look like idiots, whereas I perceive the latter two to just be showing desire or emotion.

667Club · Post #275 » by **667Club** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:51 am

A major mistake i have seen on most of the posts in this topic about the genetic factor:

Black people are not genetically favored with superior athletic talent .. Slave descendants are. That's why 98 % of the black players in this league are slave descendants either from the caribbean (including french players - all black ppl - or canadians) OR obviously for the vast majority the USA.

Athletes of West African descent have run the 100 meter dash under 10 seconds over 400 times in competition and NO ONE of any of the descent has ever done it?

Well because the vast majority of the slaves were taken from West Africa, that's why you only have americans, jamaicans, british, french, brazillans, portuguese or canadians in this field.

Skin's color doesn't matter, what matters is that slave descendants are the result of a pretty harsh genetic selection, they are enhanced by the terrible conditions that their ascendants endured.

Offcourse slavery also existed on the african continent itself so you can find similar bodytype on the continent today.

That said, the first non black under 10s will probably be a drug enhanced, genetically selected chinese

NyKnicks1714 · Post #276 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:09 am

devin3807 wrote:I didn't read past the first page, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but I wanted to comment on it.

"How many times has a black player been criticized for showing emotion: beating his chest, raising his arms to the rafters, or screaming, after a dunk; or doing a little dance or a wiggle after making a play?

That's just emotion, but too often, it's criticized as "showboating'' or "bad sportsmanship.''

Yet when Hansbrough shows emotion, its "desire.''

To me, this isn't a race issue, but more of a character/personality issue.

For example, I can't stand some of Kenyon Martin or Antoine Walker's "displays", as they general come off as "showboating" or "bad sportsmanship". On the other hand, I love watching Kevin Garnett or Tyson Chandler's "displays".

It has nothing to do with race, I just think the former two are idiots who are making themselves look like idiots, whereas I perceive the latter two to just be showing desire or emotion.

How can you say this and not mention Deke's finger wave? The greatest post-play celebration ever. :wavefinger:

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #277 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:00 am

Stereotypes are everywhere, some favour black players, some white players.

As others mentioned, white players are often considered smart, fundamentally sound, great shooters, etc, but also unathletic, monodimensional, poor defenders, soft. I remember people even calling Ginobili that way in his first season.

One thing about Reddick and Morrison. they've been injured a lot and did have great college careers, so they're hype didn't come out of nowhere. Give them a break before calling them busts.