Who won the Joe Johnson trade?

blue steel · Post #2 » by **blue steel** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:15 am

what did those picks end up being? if nothing, then everyone lost. joe plays for a mediocre team that shouldn't be in the playoffs and atlanta is paying a #2, #1 money. Phoenix does get the versitlity that joe provided for them and Diaw sucks now. If Diaw didn't drop off, I would give it to the Suns easily, but im going for secret option four. everyone lost!

_BBIB_ · Post #3 » by **_BBIB_** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:19 am

Joe Johnson the 2-time all-star vs Boris Diaw and some lottery pick

I like how the Hawks came out in this one.

Suns thought they were going to get a Horford/Bradan Wright/Mike Conley type player in last year's draft and a Mayo/Rose/Gordon/Beasley in this one.

Thank goodness that top 3 protected pick worked out for us.

High 5 · Post #4 » by **High 5** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:23 am

Just be happy we made the playoffs, no need to draw a lot of negativity. Neither team "won." Joe made the decision that was best for him.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #5 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:25 am

Atlanta clearly won. They got an All-Star out of the deal. Phoenix got a lazy player with a bad contract, which led to them having to use multiple-1st round picks to shed salary elsewhere.

Chubby Chaser · Post #6 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:28 am

Phoenix mis managed a lot of their talent and picks. Nash leading the break with Marion and Joe Johnson on the wings and Amare at the PF should of been a core they kept together for a long time IMO.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #7 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:30 am

i love my nugz wrote:what did those picks end up being? if nothing, then everyone lost. joe plays for a mediocre team that shouldn't be in the playoffs and atlanta is paying a #2, #1 money. Phoenix does get the versitlity that joe provided for them and Diaw sucks now. If Diaw didn't drop off, I would give it to the Suns easily, but im going for secret option four. everyone lost!

The Hawks weren't going to get anyone better than JJ. Sure, if they tanked 05-06 they could've had LMA. But then they suck even more, and the 06 free agent class didn't have anyone worthwhile in it. Then what? They tank 06-07. Everyone who tanked in 06-07 ended up picking behind the Hawks, who got probably the 3rd best player in the class with their pick.

Phoenix obviously lost. I think they'd trade the horrible contracts of Diaw and Banks for JJ. Not to mention that QRich contract. I still don't know how that franchise ruined such a golden opportunity to dominate the NBA. So many horrible trades and signings.

Chubby Chaser · Post #8 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:38 am

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Hawks weren't going to get anyone better than JJ. Sure, if they tanked 05-06 they could've had LMA. But then they suck even more, and the 06 free agent class didn't have anyone worthwhile in it. Then what? They tank 06-07. Everyone who tanked in 06-07 ended up picking behind the Hawks, who got probably the 3rd best player in the class with their pick.

Phoenix obviously lost. I think they'd trade the horrible contracts of Diaw and Banks for JJ. Not to mention that QRich contract. I still don't know how that franchise ruined such a golden opportunity to dominate the NBA. So many horrible trades and signings.

+1 They should of had a couple of rings by now if they just did nothing and made no moves. It's pretty pathetic if you think about it.

AllCatNpartLAL · Post #9 » by **AllCatNpartLAL** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:42 am

Joe Johnson

Post #10 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:43 am

both won the trade. hawks got an all-star that they were willing to overpay. suns got a couple of picks and a player that contributed more than he was ever suppose to for a player that they didn't want to overpay.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #11 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:48 am

dcash4 wrote:both won the trade. hawks got an all-star that they were willing to overpay. suns got a couple of picks and a player that contributed more than he was ever suppose to for a player that they didn't want to overpay.

The ironic thing? The Suns traded a guy they didn't want to pay for a guy they did overpay. Now they're trying to dump Diaw's salary. They sure wouldn't trade to dump Joe Johnson were he still there. They just wouldn't have had the money to sign Marcus Banks, and they couldn't have signed Raja Bell. But still, would you take Joe Johnson over Bell, Banks, Diaw and a mid 1st rounder in 2008? Phoenix did get that 21st overall in 2006 as well, but they just traded it away like they do with all 1st rounders, so it doesn't matter.

Seattlesun · Post #12 » by **Seattlesun** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:55 am

JJ was gonna leave phx anyway, he didnt like being 4th fiddle, wanted to the the MAN.

suns got boris and could have gotten a good lottery pick if not for some fortuitous luck for the hawks. both teams came out fine.

obviously, suns with JJ would have been better but he wanted to leave. why is everyone forgetting that?

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #13 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:58 am

Seattlesun wrote:JJ was gonna leave phx anyway, he didnt like being 4th fiddle, wanted to the the MAN.

JJ wasn't going anywhere if Phoenix wanted to keep him. He was a RFA. If he wanted a $12M paycheck and a guaranteed $70M instead of a $4M paycheck with $4M guaranteed, he had no choice but to play ball with the Suns.

wigglestrue · Post #14 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:04 am

Phoenix had no intention of matching.
Therefore, the Suns still win this handly.
Something for nothing.

What the Suns stupidly wound up doing with the picks, their cap space, and Diaw's contract should have no bearing on who won the trade. Phoenix won it, and that will never change.

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #15 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:08 am

wigglestrue wrote:Phoenix had no intention of matching.

Phoenix would have matched.

wigglestrue · Post #16 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:12 am

Buckeye-NBAFan wrote:Phoenix would have matched.

Link?

This is the same team that's been pawning off 1st round picks?

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #17 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:19 am

wigglestrue wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Link?

This is the same team that's been pawning off 1st round picks?

Where's your link?

wigglestrue · Post #18 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:27 am

www.phoenixischeapandjoejohnsonbeggedthemnottomatch.com

Seattlesun · Post #19 » by **Seattlesun** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:28 am

phx didnt match because joe didnt want them to. why would they want a guy who didnt want to be there?

p.s. joe was shortsighted and stupid. he just achieved all he ever will with atl, a 1st rd playoff exit.

Post #20 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:28 am

wigglestrue wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Link?

This is the same team that's been pawning off 1st round picks?

It's well known here in Phoenix that Sarver did eventually offer to match but JJ said not to.

Both teams won. Without Boris, Phoenix's 05/06 season would have been a disaster. It sucks what they did with the draft picks, but in terms of the initial trade, both teams came out all right.