Bucks/Bulls 4-15

icat2000 · Post #401 » by **icat2000** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:30 am

I'm not OTT about Sessions as some

I don't get your love for Mo either. Actually I don't get anyone love for Mo play at PG. *Shrugs*

REDDzone · Post #402 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:34 am

jerrod wrote:i wish you guys would show me where i've defended mo's d. mo is a bad defender, sessions is a bad defender. we're losing with both of them

Noone ever said you defended Mo's D. It just seems as if when Sessions has a bad D game you call him out to no end, but when Mo does you never really say anything about it.

Captain Erv · Post #403 » by **Captain Erv** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:35 am

A fitting end to the Harris/Stotts/Krystkowiak era.

jerrod · Post #404 » by **jerrod** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:38 am

REDDzone wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Noone ever said you defended Mo's D. It just seems as if when Sessions has a bad D game you call him out to no end, but when Mo does you never really say anything about it.

i'm not calling him out, it just seems so strange to me that people are so willing to ignore an absolutely awful series of defensive games from him.

i badly want a better defensive team, and i guess i don't want to bet the farm on this supposed work ethic and size potential

paul · Post #405 » by **paul** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:39 am

jerrod wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i'm not calling him out, it just seems so strange to me that people are so willing to ignore an absolutely awful series of defensive games from him.

i badly want a better defensive team, and i guess i don't want to bet the farm on this supposed work ethic and size potential

I second that. But that must mean you want Mo gone?

icat2000 · Post #406 » by **icat2000** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:40 am

how many games has sessions played? A handful? Not really a huge sample to draw any real conclusions about his defensive commitment.

jerrod · Post #407 » by **jerrod** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:41 am

paul wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I second that. But that must mean you want Mo gone?

i want to at least find a better starter, if we don't bring in anyone better then no, i don't want to dump him for nothing

icat2000 wrote:how many games has sessions played? A handful? Not really a huge sample to draw any real conclusions about his defensive commitment.

if you were 2nd round pick and finally getting your first chance to play with the team, wouldn't your effort be pretty high?

midranger · Post #408 » by **midranger** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:41 am

I just feel like Sessions is more of the same from this organization.

2nd round talent on a cheap contract comes in and puts up some meaningless stats on a horrible team. All the while, he's losing every game he's started, and (somehow) playing worse defense than the guy that everyone wants to blame the team's piss poor defense on. Yet, everyone gets excited because he's the shiniest turd in the bowl, and we can feel good about our "steal" of a great player. Then he gets paid, and all of a sudden the obvious flaws that people were willing to overlook when the guy was the sole bright spot in a miserable season, become even more obvious. Then we call for his head.

We've been down this path with Redd and Mo. I will not go down it with Sessions. If Sessions doesn't improve his defense drastically by next year we should trade him at the deadline. We can't keep screwing ourselves over on the same player again and again.

Post #409 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:44 am

midranger wrote:I just feel like Sessions is more of the same from this organization.

2nd round talent on a cheap contract comes in and puts up some meaningless stats on a horrible team. All the while, he's losing every game he's started.

Agree.....it is a fitting end to the Larry Harris era with Sessions.....

That's why I desparately want a new PG for next year. Let Sessions become what he becomes. But I wouldn't rely on him at all. Anything we get next year is a bonus.

crkone · Post #410 » by **crkone** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:45 am

midranger wrote:I just feel like Sessions is more of the same from this organization.

2nd round talent on a cheap contract comes in and puts up some meaningless stats on a horrible team. All the while, he's losing every game he's started, and (somehow) playing worse defense than the guy that everyone wants to blame the team's piss poor defense on. Yet, everyone gets excited because he's the shiniest turd in the bowl, and we can feel good about our "steal" of a great player. Then he gets paid, and all of a sudden the obvious flaws that people were willing to overlook when the guy was the sole bright spot in a miserable season, become even more obvious. Then we call for his head.

We've been down this path with Redd and Mo. I will not go down it with Sessions. If Sessions doesn't improve his defense drastically by next year we should trade him at the deadline. We can't keep screwing ourselves over on the same player again and again.

I completely agree to this. If his defense can't improve with a veteran coach's instruction, sell high.

treego14 · Post #411 » by **treego14** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:46 am

Bucksjam wrote:Craig Coshun giving a tearful good-bye...

Bummer

Craig Coshun is leaving FSN? :wassup:

jerrod · Post #412 » by **jerrod** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:48 am

crkone wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I completely agree to this. If his defense can't improve with a veteran coach's instruction, sell high.

there won't be any selling high by then, he'll be on the last year of his super cheap deal and other teams will realize that we waited to see if the d would improve with a good coach. if it did, he wouldn't be on the market.

jerrod · Post #413 » by **jerrod** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:48 am

treego14 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Craig Coshun is leaving FSN?

they didn't talk much about it but to me it sounded like he's leaving the bucks

treego14 · Post #414 » by **treego14** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:49 am

MVP4Champ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What did Scott say??

Yes, I'd like to know what Scott said that left Jon McGlocklin and Jim Paschke speechless. :thinking:

jerrod · Post #415 » by **jerrod** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:51 am

treego14 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes, I'd like to know what Scott said that left Jon McGlocklin and Jim Paschke speechless.

he just said that he wanted to talk to ramon after the game, even though they don't normally do on court interviews after losses.

most likely, paschke was just talking to someone and getting the ok to do it and that's what the silence was

Post #416 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:05 am

I've got to comment on "Max" tonight.....The Bucks were tearing it up in the first quarter, and Redd didn't score in the quarter.....

Then he comes back in a few minutes into the second quarter and feels like he's got to hog the ball again.....Sessions assists went down and the team just went into hibernation. The lead vanished and after some additional Max ball hogging to start the third, next thing you know we are down 20.

I'm not putting the loss on Redd, but the team is just tired of the guy. Nobody likes playing with him......yesterday I thought there might be hope.....

He's gotta go as well......

El Duderino · Post #417 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:37 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I've got to comment on "Max" tonight.....The Bucks were tearing it up in the first quarter, and Redd didn't score in the quarter.....

Then he comes back in a few minutes into the second quarter and feels like he's got to hog the ball again.....Sessions assists went down and the team just went into hibernation. The lead vanished and after some additional Max ball hogging to start the third, next thing you know we are down 20.

I'm not putting the loss on Redd, but the team is just tired of the guy. Nobody likes playing with him......yesterday I thought there might be hope.....

He's gotta go as well......

It's amazing how much my view of Redd has nosedived this season. I never thought Redd could be anything more than a good sidekick type of player on a good team with a clear star he has to defer to, plus i didn't like his contract.

With that said, i didn't really dislike Redd either, it wasn't his fault the Bucks were stupid and paid him star money. This year though has been the last straw for me in regards to Redd, i want him traded very badly.

I look at Redd and he symbolizes every bad trait about the sad state of the Bucks franchise.

1. Very overpaid like other players are

2. Soft as hell like many other Bucks

3. Doesn't care about defending like our whole team

4. No leadership abilities come with his 17 million per deal

5. No pride kicks in during games where teams are flat out embarrassing the Bucks.

6. He may not be hated, but it seems like nobody on the team likes playing with him or respects him as a veteran leader at all.

I haven't been watching many Bucks games lately, but so often this year when i did watch games, i found myself just strongly disliking Redd and saying to myself, get this guy off the team please. We badly need a leader or two to emerge and a few vets to set good examples for younger players and/or new draft picks that come in, i see Redd staying here being somewhat of a roadblock from those things happening.

Rockmaninoff · Post #418 » by **Rockmaninoff** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:12 am

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

What the hell happened last night? The game thread says 4/15, that's today isn't it? Or am I totally losing it, finally.

The Bulls scored 151 points? Mark Jackson JR had 24 assists? I'm going have to read all of this game thread...

Whiteman · Post #419 » by **Whiteman** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:17 pm

europa wrote:I'm hoping Sessions can get 20 assists and the Bulls reach 150. Might as well knock 'em all out of the park at once.

Must be your lucky day.

So I assume we have Sessions and Duhon at PG next year?