Mitch Richmond vs. Ray Allen

RJM · Post #1 » by **RJM** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:24 am

You got a scorer that Michael Jordan himself feared, and easily one of the purest shooters of all time. Who do ya got?

Ballings7 · Post #2 » by **Ballings7** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:12 am

Mitch Richmond, better overall player

Also, I came along being into both in the mid-90s, but ultimately like Mitch more

Jemini80 · Post #3 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 am

Ray has been living off a 4 season stretch where he played out of this world. Mitch was just straight nasty his whole career. It is weird no one talks about him, Rice, Mashburn, or players like them who were on the cusp of greatness but never could get there. He was just straight nasty until he went to Washington, and then I never heard of him again.

Honestly, after having to live through the chucking of Jamal Crawford, I have begun to analyze outside shooters differently. This stat is brought up a lot with Crawful, but if you average more 3 point shots per season than FTs, then you aren't playing the game right.

The problem I have with Allen is the same problem I have with Reggie. If they shot more mid-range jumpers ala Rip Hamilton style, they would have been unstoppable, but they rely on 3 point shooting too much.

SpeedyG · Post #4 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:39 pm

Don't have stats in front of me, but Ray beats the Rock longevity wise. But prime, I think I'll have to go with Ritchmond. Just as good a shooter, can score in many more ways than Ray, and more well rounded also.

Cruel_Ruin · Post #5 » by **Cruel_Ruin** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:08 am

I grew up idolizing the Rock

RelativeZdot · Post #6 » by **RelativeZdot** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:20 am

Richmond could do more offensively and defensively. Allen however, is the more likely to fit in on any team because of his ability to move without the ball and distribute the ball.

celticfan42487 · Post #7 » by **celticfan42487** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:42 pm

Ray can move without the ball, but he's only really effecient when an offense focuses on his off the ball movement with the degree that DET does on Rips.

JordansBulls · Post #8 » by **JordansBulls** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:34 pm

Richmond easily.

wigglestrue · Post #9 » by **wigglestrue** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:41 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mmi01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nra02.html

Richmond easily.

Richmond could do more offensively and defensively.

Just as good a shooter, can score in many more ways than Ray, and more well rounded also.

Mitch Richmond, better overall player

Huh?

Is there something the stats don't quite capture? :dontknow:

Elway=GOAT · Post #10 » by **Elway=GOAT** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:29 pm

wigglestrue wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nra02.html

Richmond easily.

Richmond could do more offensively and defensively.

Just as good a shooter, can score in many more ways than Ray, and more well rounded also.

Mitch Richmond, better overall player

Huh?

Is there something the stats don't quite capture?

People like to overrate past players too much, imo. I watched both play, and they are pretty much even imo. I give the very slight edge to Mitch, but these two are pretty much the same player.

kandiking · Post #11 » by **kandiking** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:24 am

Iceburg Slim wrote:You got a scorer that Michael Jordan himself feared, and easily one of the purest shooters of all time. Who do ya got?

thanks for the sig :wink:

i take richmond in the way that lakers fans take kwame brown because he got the kings webber, as well as being a kickass player.

Duiz · Post #12 » by **Duiz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:30 am

Ray Allen

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Albanian Damien · Post #13 » by **Albanian Damien** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:39 pm

wigglestrue wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/richmmi01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nra02.html

Richmond easily.

Richmond could do more offensively and defensively.

Just as good a shooter, can score in many more ways than Ray, and more well rounded also.

Mitch Richmond, better overall player

Huh?

Is there something the stats don't quite capture?

Wow it's amazing how close they are statistically(career stats).

Post #14 » by **Luv those Knicks** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:16 pm

I have a slight preference for Ray cause I think he's a slightly better shooter.

But it's a tough call. Very close.

Heat3 · Post #15 » by **Heat3** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:50 pm

Well Ray is known for his shooting...what else?

Mitch is known for his scoring and defense. On those Warrior teams at least he had Mullin and Hardaway taking away from his numbers.

wigglestrue · Post #16 » by **wigglestrue** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:25 pm

Heat3 wrote:Well Ray is known for his shooting...what else?

Mitch is known for his scoring and defense. On those Warrior teams at least he had Mullin and Hardaway taking away from his numbers.

Could somebody describe Richmond's defense? I never got to watch him play, and from what is left statistically, I can't see how he'd be a significantly better defender than Ray Allen.