NOT breaking news: Bogut wants Mo gone...big-time.

[ReasonablySober]

Bogut wants Mo out......big-time. Now, whether we continue to build/cater to Bogut is a completely different topic.

So, I figured if Bogut didn't like Mo, then it must be because Mo's a chucker and doesn't give Bogut the ball enough. I certainly didn't expect this:

Since the start of the New Year (everyone around here acts like Bogut's November and December didn't happen...why start now?

Bogut with Mo
33 games
FGA: 434
FGA/g: 13.1
FG: 221
Pct: 51%
Reb: 349
Reb/g: 10.5
Pts: 541
Pts/g: 16.39

Bogut without Mo
14 games
FGA: 157
FGA/g: 11.21
FG: 81
Pct: 51%
Reb: 136
Reb/g: 9.7
Pts: 204
Pts/g: 14.5

So without Mo playing point guard, Bogut is shooting two times less per game, obviously scoring less, and rebounding less.

Edit: I edited the title of this thread only for the reason that I didn't want people thinking there was some new news or statement that Bogut had made. However, I think the discussion in the thread is worthwhile and good points are made from all angles of the issue. The front office and players will not ever acknowledge anything publicly, but there have been issues with Mo Williams and other members of the team throughout the year.
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[Chapter29]

This doesn't mean that Mo does a good job running the team.

My hope if I were Bogut would be for our starting PG to be a good floor general. Not necessarily how many shots I get. I think Bogut is a team 1st kind of player.

I will say that I don't think Mo does a good job with Bogut regardless of this statistic (which is an interesting one I will say). Or the team really for matter. Obviously Mo's replacements did a terrible job in that regard. I would guess that Ivey has a role in that.

As far as Bogut wanting Mo out, I have no clue as to why. From what I have here, the 2 just don't seem to get along. It doesn't have to be just about shot attempts.

[htr]

There's more rebounds and second chance opportunities with Mo. Are you telling me Mo threw the ball into Bogut more than he's getting without Mo?

I can totally see how his stats would be slightly better with a good amount of Mo missed shot attempts in the games Mo plays.

[ReasonablySober]

There's more rebounds and second chance opportunities with Mo. Are you telling me Mo threw the ball into Bogut more than he's getting without Mo?

I can totally see how his stats would be slightly better with a good amount of Mo missed shot attempts in the games Mo plays.

But when a good player goes down, don't others usually step up to take on a bigger scoring role? Bogut shot two times less!

[xTitan]

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But when a good player goes down, don't others usually step up to take on a bigger scoring role? Bogut shot two times less!

Who is your source on Bogut wanting Mo out? Or is this just another attempt by a MO fan to deflect criticism?

[ReasonablySober]

This doesn't mean that Mo does a good job running the team.

I'm certainly not saying he does. But some will have you believe it's the backcourt, Mo in particular, that's holding Andrew back and I just don't see it.

[bayrdbandit]

it won't be a stats thing, it won't be about bogut's personal game - it'll be about attitude and playing team basketball. bogut puts team first, we can all agree on that.

[raferfenix]

Why was Bogut lobbying for Sessions to get minutes if he was so happy with Mo at PG?

[ReasonablySober]

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Who is your source on Bogut wanting Mo out? Or is this just another attempt by a MO fan to deflect criticism?

Why don't I just retrace this one a bit...

In the Mo/Sessions thread you were saying Mo's a prick and hated on the team. I asked you to provide evidence. You said pp could back up your claim.

Um, look who I'm quoting above.

[ReasonablySober]

it won't be a stats thing, it won't be about bogut's personal game - it'll be about attitude and playing team basketball. bogut puts team first, we can all agree on that.

OK. But the guy your saying is team first has quit on this team multiple times over the past three years. Not once has anyone ever muttered that about Mo Williams.

[ReasonablySober]

Why was Bogut lobbying for Sessions to get minutes if he was so happy with Mo at PG?

Because Sessions appears to have the PG skills that both Ivey and Bell lack. I thought that was obvious.

[bayrdbandit]

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OK. But the guy your saying is team first has quit on this team multiple times over the past three years. Not once has anyone ever muttered that about Mo Williams.

imo mo quits on the team in the way he plays. this argument has been thrown around a million times.

i tend to think bogut has the team at heart and when he screws up he hates himself for it. he knows he lets the team down. admitting the problem is the first step in treating the problem. mo doesn't seem to realise when he hurts the team.

how many times roughly do you think bogut has "quit" on the team?

[Epicurus]

Detroit in playoffs; Chicago in '07; and Toronto '07. I don't know about this season and I have only included the ones which are not debatable.

[ReasonablySober]

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imo mo quits on the team in the way he plays. this argument has been thrown around a million times.

i tend to think bogut has the team at heart and when he screws up he hates himself for it. he knows he lets the team down. admitting the problem is the first step in treating the problem. mo doesn't seem to realise when he hurts the team.

how many times roughly do you think bogut has "quit" on the team?

You're spinning Bogut's blatant quitting acts into a positive?

Wow.

[LockDownD]

Bogut wants to win, and everyone knows MOs D is not going to get us there. Ship out his over sized purple suit wearing a*s before his feet fall off like Simmons did. The new GM has his hands full w/ all the bunk contracts LH gave out, the Bucks don't need to hold on to a crappy attitude fool like MO. Get what you can and move on. Boguts no superstar but at least he doesn't act like he's one, with nothing of substance to back it up.

[jerrod]

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You're spinning Bogut's blatant quitting acts into a positive?

Wow.

you seem surprised, why is that?

[AussieBuck]

Bogut wants Mo out because he is a streetballer. Any player who knows a bit about the game and wants to win would feel the same.

[jeremyd236]

These stats are irrelevant. The bulk of these last games of the season have been without Mo and we've been giving heavy minutes to guys like Ruffin, Ivey, Storee, and Gadz. These guys normally wouldn't be in the rotation.

Also, none of our players care. They have nothing to play for, half of them will be on a different team next year, and even our coach knows he won't be around. Bogut's played without Mo for only 14 games....how many of those have been at the end of the year now?


And besides, who said Bogut's remarks about Mo directly correlate to how many shots per game he gets? I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure Bogut cares about more than FGA/game. Maybe he realizes that Mo is not a pass-first PG, and that the PG is responsible for running the offense. I highly doubt NBA players sit on their computers and look for teammates they play with that make their stats look worse. Perhaps he just knows this team can't go anywhere with Mo and PG.

[ReasonablySober]

Bogut wants to win, and everyone knows MOs D is not going to get us there. Ship out his over sized purple suit wearing a*s before his feet fall off like Simmons did. The new GM has his hands full w/ all the bunk contracts LH gave out, the Bucks don't need to hold on to a crappy attitude fool like MO. Get what you can and move on. Boguts no superstar but at least he doesn't act like he's one, with nothing of substance to back it up.

What do you think Bogut's excuse is for the Bucks defense actually performing worse when Mo Williams has been out?

I'm just curious. Everyone is making blanket statements and assumptions on a subject that they personally have no knowledge of. I want someone to tell me what Bogut would say if presented with that question.

[bayrdbandit]

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You're spinning Bogut's blatant quitting acts into a positive?

Wow.

what? a positive? there's nothing positive about it.

sorry, not taking part in this regurgitated crap again. been there done that.

the original argument was about why bogut would want mo off the team. and i've thrown in my two cents. i don't think mo is a team player and yes i do think bogut is. the argument about bogut quitting is tired and i think irrelevant now.

but keep flogging it because that's just about all you've got left in the tank.