Best Roster In the Atlantic

[wigglestrue]

I don't need to listen to bogus opinions.

Why is Rondo so hyped and so hated?

He's hated because he's so hyped.

In all honesty, he has ways to go to be on par with what Harris, Ford, Miller, Calderon can do right now.

I saw a fair share through leaguepass (when it was free ) and from that, I didn't see much of a point guard. He can be a good player, no doubt, but I think he lacks the skill set to be an effective point. He's quick and can drive. But that's not enough to be a good point guard. He's a mediocre passer. I don't see him as a player who can consistently create shots for others. Playing with 3 potential HOFers can perhaps cover up a lot of flaws within his game.

I'm not going to take away the fact that he's been improving a lot. His decision-making is getting better and his shooting from midrange has improved. However, he has ways to go before he'll be as effective as Harris, Calderon, or Ford. His shooting is still mediocre at best. His FT needs a miraculous improvement.

All of this is purely my opinion. I, personally, don't think he's that effective as a point guard. I think he can be a good player in the future, but not someone that comes to mind when I think point guard.

There's no way you watched a lot of him on League Pass. Either you lied or you weren't really paying attention to the TV. It's a lot easier to just block out the parts of a game that don't fit with your wishful preconceptions, so maybe you just didn't feel like confronting the player Rondo actually was. Whatever. Good riddance.

[tracey_nice]

I don't need to listen to bogus opinions.

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There's no way you watched a lot of him on League Pass. Either you lied or you weren't really paying attention to the TV. It's a lot easier to just block out the parts of a game that don't fit with your wishful preconceptions, so maybe you just didn't feel like confronting the player Rondo actually was. Whatever. Good riddance.

You must never listen to yourself, probably the smart idea.

[wigglestrue]

You must never listen to yourself, probably the smart idea.

Is that really the cleverest dig you could come up with?

[tracey_nice]

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Is that really the cleverest dig you could come up with?

Is that really the best comeback you have, questioning the cleverness; very clever.

But, you are actually worst than arguing with a brick wall or women.

[Harry Palmer]

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The simple concept ungrasped (wittingly or unwittingly) being that if I am wrong about Rondo being better there is still a middle ground of equality, that if Rondo isn't better than the others it doesn't automatically mean the others are better than Rondo. Get it? I was totally within my rights to respond as I did.

Ah, but that's not what you said previously.

Your comment, as you yourself quoted, had nothing whatever to do with middle grounds being possible...you stated as an absolute fact that while it was possible that Harris et al could be as good as Rondo, there was no way they could be better.

That's the thing, even if I'm wrong and Rondo isn't better than Calderon or Harris or Ford, there's still no way that any of those guys are themselves better than Rondo.

That is NOT you saying that X doesn't necessarily prove Y...that's you saying Y is impossible. HUGE difference, and one which was much more accurately paraphrased in the post you found insulting than in yours to me.

And since which you have continued, calling people arrogant, ignorant, and condescending to correct what is 'wrong' with many of us. I'm still not sure if this is standard behavior for you, but I would again ask for you to tone down the 'tude, and make your points without overtly insulting people who do not agree with your naked assertions. I am sure you can make a solid argument without resorting to that kind of stuff.

[Harry Palmer]

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Is that really the best comeback you have, questioning the cleverness; very clever.

But, you are actually worst than arguing with a brick wall or women.

How about everyone stops arguing like this is a break from daycare?

[celticfan42487]

Might as well just lock the thread if it keeps on going wigglestrue vs everyone because it's boring and apparently the same convo was started in another thread for Most Improved Player.

As for someone who said you wouldn't say that last year blah blah blah. It was just a season ago and it wouldn't be that hard for you to find a quote to back up your statement. But you wouldn't be able to.

I've seen young teams and they suck. AL Jefferson was the only really good player on that team [yes I'm including Rondo and others] and he was the only player that was franchise player worthy. Then it looked like Pierce, who wasn't really apart of that season due to injury, was going to want to be traded .. and then that Ray Allen trade.

You would of seen me bashing Ainge if he didn't trade for J'Oneal/Camby/KG. And yes I would of accepted J'Oneal because he would of provided enough defensive support [injury concerns aside].



Regardless. I'll break down my analysis for people to pick apart.

You have a legit franchise player on TOR with Bosh, and some okay supports but nothing else. They NEED another star but how are they going to get one with that middle of the road team? I guess they get lucky with a #15 pick?

PHIL, you have a lower tier franchise player in Iggy. A ? mark with Miller who is a great roleplaying PG and with him and Louis they will get just as much support from that postion as TOR would get from two PGs that are better the Louis right now. I think Philly has a chance though to get another franchise player through free agency with their money. That and depending on what they do with Miller they may be looking for a star at the SG postion wich is the easiest to find. It's unlikely but you never known between someone in free agency or using Miller for a trade in the draft they could get that second franchise player that they NEED. Oh and before you say anything I don't believe Young is star potential so that's why I pretty much ignored him.

NJ, has 2 franchise players in Carter and Jefferson with emotional turmoil. Carter has history with not playing well on poor teams. Rich Jefferson right now is throwing in the towel during games and not playing defense like he should. Regardless though they are just as likely as PHIL or TOR to right the ship after trading one of the guys away. They have some decent depth there and a trading asset in Diop or they could re-sign him. Harris is a keeper for sure and I think Diop is one but he might price himself out of NJ. They could pick up someone to play with RJ by trading away Carter/Diop for a prime young stud.

NY is rightfully not an option.

BOS, well they got **** lucky like all the other teams, sans NY, are hoping they might be able to do. And like on average about 20 other teams are hoping to do. Good luck to the rest of you you may be able to find another star next to for your team and be one your way it's just very hard to do.

[saham]

wigglestrue is actually Tommy Heinsohn.