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geeman · Post #1 » by **geeman** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:01 pm

Resign

Josh Chills (mid level)
Josh Smith ( 5 year 60 mil starting at 8mil)

Lose
Salim Stoudamire

Trade (out)
Marvin Williams (love him but love Josh Chills more)
ZaZa Pachulia (cap filler last year 4mil)

Traded (in)
1) Real bench help ( True pure shooter) Matt Carroll
2) Late lottery pick ( Hasheem Thabeet)

Free agency pickup
Solid low post big man (like Kwame Brown)

* Note: I got a feeling he

LL Cool Scott · Post #2 » by **LL Cool Scott** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:19 pm

I really don't care if we resign Childress. I'd probably rather have flexibility down the road rather than a long-term contract for him...

Smith will resign here. Not worried about that.

Wouldn't trade Marvin at this point. He's getting better every year and we'd be hard pressed to get equal value for him. Hold on to him and Smith until we become good enough that trading one of them makes more sense.

Zaza is a really really bad basketball player. What a waste of talent.

conleyorbust · Post #3 » by **conleyorbust** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:29 pm

LL Cool Scott wrote:I really don't care if we resign Childress. I'd probably rather have flexibility down the road rather than a long-term contract for him...

Smith will resign here. Not worried about that.

Wouldn't trade Marvin at this point. He's getting better every year and we'd be hard pressed to get equal value for him. Hold on to him and Smith until we become good enough that trading one of them makes more sense.

Zaza is a really really bad basketball player. What a waste of talent.

Agree with most of this. I said it in the other thread but I wouldn't mind trading Marv but we aren't at a place where we HAVE to trade him. If the Bucks were to offer us the 6 for him, I'd definitely think about it.

I'd like to find 3 things in the offseason. A backup PG/SG who can play some D and handle the rock when Bibby is out. Jack would be best because we can limit Bibby's minutes with him but I wouldn't mind a guy like AJ (assuming Law doesn't look ready yet, that would make things easier).

New frontcourt depth, I heard we were bringing over Andersen so there is a guy who can shoot, would like Diop or Kwame also so our defense doesn't go to hell when Smith/Horford leave the game.

I'd also like a wing who can play D and hit the 3 (Anthony Parker would be absolutely perfect but we probably can't land him). If Marv gets the longball in his arsenal this summer than we are set here. Otherwise I don't care who we trade as long as it isn't Joe/Smith/Al.

Anyway, thats the wish list.

Hopefully a team really wants Chil and we can get a pick or something out of them.

BMF Jet Jaguar · Post #4 » by **BMF Jet Jaguar** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:04 am

get nellie as our coach

Retrovision · Post #5 » by **Retrovision** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:05 am

[quote="LL Cool Scott"]I really don't care if we resign Childress. I'd probably rather have flexibility down the road rather than a long-term contract for him...

Smith will resign here. Not worried about that.

Wouldn't trade Marvin at this point. He's getting better every year and we'd be hard pressed to get equal value for him. Hold on to him and Smith until we become good enough that trading one of them makes more sense.

Zaza is a really really bad basketball player. What a waste of talent.[/quote]

What talent? Oh you mean the art of the 4x pumpfake when you are already open talent!

mr_grabb · Post #6 » by **mr_grabb** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:41 am

I'm all for resigning Josh&Josh.

I'm not high on Carrol though...I think 4$ millions (I think he makes even more) is too much for a unidimensional player.

I wouldnt be against sign and trading Childress along with Zaza for a Capable, defensive-minded big to log around 20-25 mins per, and to get some more bench depth.

Since we don't have a pick in the draft, I don't think that it would be wise to trade to get one. I think the price could be too high for nothing (there are some good prospects in the lottery, but this draft is far from deep), and further more I think we must "rebuilding mode" behind. We have a very young team, we are now a playoff team, so let's get some vet help and proven value instead of some more prospects.

I think we should keep Marvin, but I wouldnt be horrified if the Hawks front office decided to move him (which BK would never do).

LHughes/JSmooth · Post #7 » by **LHughes/JSmooth** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:25 am

Next year's moves on the FORUM:

1. Please stop with Marvin sucks, or Marvin needs to be traded. If Chill is better, he'd be starting. Oh wait, he's not.

Most of you already knows Marvin is my personal fav player on the Hawks, though he may not be the best, of course, yet.

Just think about this, if Marvin and Durant swapped places, Marvin would be putting up huge numbers, because he would be the only option on the Sonics, but since he is the 4th option here, most of you all act like he is a bust. Wait until we don't have Joe and Bibby around anymore, and we need someone to score. I think Marvin will step up. Example, the game at Seattle this year.

geeman · Post #8 » by **geeman** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:23 pm

LHughes/JSmooth wrote:Next year's moves on the FORUM:

1. Please stop with Marvin sucks, or Marvin needs to be traded. If Chill is better, he'd be starting. Oh wait, he's not.

Most of you already knows Marvin is my personal fav player on the Hawks, though he may not be the best, of course, yet.

Just think about this, if Marvin and Durant swapped places, Marvin would be putting up huge numbers, because he would be the only option on the Sonics, but since he is the 4th option here, most of you all act like he is a bust. Wait until we don't have Joe and Bibby around anymore, and we need someone to score. I think Marvin will step up. Example, the game at Seattle this year.

I kind of my point.. I not that I think Josh is beter or has mor of a up side on Marvin. I also like Marvin, but like you stated he is like the fouth option right now and may walk next year. But you are right.. we really don't need any rookies and if needed we could alway do a sigh and trade with him next year

Skyhawk1 · Post #9 » by **Skyhawk1** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:13 pm

I really think J. Chill will get good offers from other teams. Any coach loves what he brings to the table every night. I think he can get better with the right coach and in the right system, not playing PG as he's done often here. How in the world you think about trading Marvin for a draft pick ? I mean, is this rebuilding thing going to last forever ? There's no reason to trade him, let the guy develop his game and get rid of the cancers(Salim, Zaza) and the ones who just don't have enough talent (West, Jones). Now, we got to find someone to back up JJ. We are just wearing this guy out by playing him like 42 min a night.

JoshB914 · Post #10 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:18 pm

^^ I think we need to keep Rio. He is the one guy that has produced off the bench for us but Woody refuses to play him.

I wouldn't call Zaza a team cancer. He seems to get along well with everyone, he's just not good. Salim also seems to be a guy everyone is pulling for, I think he's really matured over the past two seasons, but it hasn't shown on the floor.

geeman · Post #11 » by **geeman** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:47 pm

JoshB914 wrote:^^ I think we need to keep Rio. He is the one guy that has produced off the bench for us but Woody refuses to play him.

I wouldn't call Zaza a team cancer. He seems to get along well with everyone, he's just not good. Salim also seems to be a guy everyone is pulling for, I think he's really matured over the past two seasons, but it hasn't shown on the floor.

I have notice that!!! I don't think he's the cancer everone make him to be.
When he plays you can tell guy are pulling for him. And the TV guy stress that " He always working on his Game" to be ready when his number is called. I would be easy to jast ride it out til next year, but he has not.

lunarblues · Post #12 » by **lunarblues** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:58 pm

1) keep everybody, no need to be subtracting peices at this point.

2) get a scorer off the bench (somebody that is guranteed to give you 10 pts in 4-6 shots) my thinking - ruben patterson

3) get a big man to the bench (somebody that can give you 6-8 pts in 3-5 shots) my thinking - david andersen

4) development (all the younglings have to get better (marvin, joshes, horford, law, solomon) right now they aren't able to go .500 much less make the playoffs again.

5) get a playoff coach in here. woodson did an ok job babysitting the kids but its time to get a big timer in here (jeff van gundy or larry brown)

X Factor) get speedy back. at worst he's a third string point guard for when bibby or acie goes down but at best he's the defense to bibby's offense and could get us out of more than a few jams.

what i hope to see:

PG-Bibby/Law/Claxton
SG-Johnson/Patterson/West
SF-Williams/Childress/Richardson
PF-Smith/Pachulia (think he'd be better at the 4)/Jones
C -Horford/Anderson

you still won't have much defense in the frontcourt bench, but at least you could score. patterson could be legit relief for joe's minutes. and you'd have defense in the backcourt bench with law, claxton, patterson, and west.

i think that salim isn't going to resign with us so i took him out. i could also see us trading zaza but i don't know what for so i kept him on in which case his replacement or jones would fill his spot

JoshB914 · Post #13 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:08 pm

I'm not a big Patterson guy.

I always forget about Speedy. If he is healthy (somehow) he would be huge for us because it would give us a PG who can actually defend. Plus with Bibby he won't have to play big minutes.

I am very excited to see what this team will do next season. If we can just make a few good moves to improve the depth and get a nice coach in here I think we will have a god team.

tontoz · Post #14 » by **tontoz** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:14 pm

First thing is that they need to get rid of Childress, whether it be by trading him or letting him walk. he doesn't fit here.

obviously they need more size. Anderson would help but i see him more as a replacement for Zaza, not necesarily as the answer to the problem.

As far as a backup at the 2 or 3 who can shoot 3s there are a lot of guys available.

conleyorbust · Post #15 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:43 pm

tontoz wrote:First thing is that they need to get rid of Childress, whether it be by trading him or letting him walk. he doesn't fit here.

obviously they need more size. Anderson would help but i see him more as a replacement for Zaza, not necesarily as the answer to the problem.

As far as a backup at the 2 or 3 who can shoot 3s there are a lot of guys available.

Right, I'd love to replace Chil with a guy that could hit the 3 and play defense.

A good big man rotation should be more than 3 guys, Andersen would be cool because he could stretch the floor and let us go with a lineup that had Smith at the 3 but we should also get more of a defensive type in here.

JoshB914 · Post #16 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:45 pm

I disagree on Chillz. I don't mind shopping him to see what's out there, but if we don't get a great offer I think we need to keep him. You can't underestimate what he has done for getting those put-backs and keeping defenses on their toes.

conleyorbust · Post #17 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:28 pm

JoshB914 wrote:I disagree on Chillz. I don't mind shopping him to see what's out there, but if we don't get a great offer I think we need to keep him. You can't underestimate what he has done for getting those put-backs and keeping defenses on their toes.

I don't think the question is whether he can be useful or whether he has been useful. I think the question is one of opportunity cost. At this point we really need a guy who can hit from deep and play some solid D at that position and as of now Chil can do neither.

If keeping Josh C limits our abilities to even out the roster around Joe/Josh/Al then you have to let him go (provided you can find someone to fill that void). If no one makes themselves available, or we can find a way to fill our holes without losing Chil, I'm all for resigning him provided the cost is reasonable.

Rip2137 · Post #18 » by **Rip2137** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:39 am

Unless we pick up a big that can get you the garbage points off the bench like a Turiaff, or..well..Childress...you don't replace that guy.

Every good team has at least one guy that does those things and the only one we have is Chill. You don't break the bank for that guy either though.

M301E814W404 · Post #19 » by **M301E814W404** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:13 pm

Here's my take on Marvin...

I think he is awesome, and has more talent than he knows what to do with. The issue is his drive. He has no killer instinct, and is simply happy with being a 3rd or 4th option, even the 6th man. I hate to say it, but something that would make marvin better in this league would be to be less of a team player and look to take his shot and assert himself on offense.

tontoz · Post #20 » by **tontoz** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:29 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Unless we pick up a big that can get you the garbage points off the bench like a Turiaff, or..well..Childress...you don't replace that guy.

Every good team has at least one guy that does those things and the only one we have is Chill. You don't break the bank for that guy either though.

Please. Horford and Smith would get more opportunities inside if we replace Childress with someone who is a perimeter threat.

This team needs outside shooting and size. childress brings neither.