MVP Watch 2008... Part 5

[KBCPDR]

sweet, we're back to trolling

Dwade is obviously the MVP. Without his tank job, the Heat wouldn't be looking for a #1 lotto pick!

you are the biggest troll of them all HW. guess who?

[ChocolateThundr]

I reiterate the same rhetorical raised in this thread a few pages before;

What is there left to discuss?

answer starts with "n" and ends with "o"

[semi-sentient]

"g"

[tracey_nice]

I reiterate the same rhetorical raised in this thread a few pages before;

What is there left to discuss?

answer starts with "n" and ends with "o"

Well, I just saved money on car insurance by switching to Geico.

[FatSam]

David West and Peja were both injured last year. Where did Chris Paul carry them? To 39 wins and an early vacation with no playoffs.

Those are two very talented and elite players right there, and without these allstars Paul can't get that team to the next level (let alone into the playoffs).

Kobe is this years MVP. The voting will not be as close as many of you think in that regards, and KG may even surpass CP3 for 2nd place.

[NO-KG-AI]

That's bogus, that's discrediting how much better Chris is, there's a reason David is having his best year scoring, Peja is shooting his highest 3pt% ever, and Chandler is scoring more than he used to, and a lot of that has to do with Chris taking his game to a new level.

Peja isn't an all-star anymore, and David was barely an all-star, and wouldn't be without Chris Paul

[G35]

That's bogus, that's discrediting how much better Chris is, there's a reason David is having his best year scoring, Peja is shooting his highest 3pt% ever, and Chandler is scoring more than he used to, and a lot of that has to do with Chris taking his game to a new level.

Peja isn't an all-star anymore, and David was barely an all-star, and wouldn't be without Chris Paul

So in the next 3-4 days when the Hornet playoff thread goes up and everyone is predicting the matchups the Hornets will lose every matchup except PG because Paul makes his average teammates better than they appear.

I mean say the Hornets play the Nuggets the matchups will go something like this:

PG Paul>Carter
SG Peterson<AI
SF Peja<Melo
PF West<Kmart
C Chandler<Camby

OR

If the Hornets play the Mav's

PG Paul>Kidd
SG Peterson<Stackhouse/Terry
SF Peja<Howard
PF West<Nowitzki
C Chandler<Dampier


And we know the Hornets bench is terrible. What are they rated? Like the 29th ranked bench in the league? Pargo, Bonzi, Julian, Hilton will not produce hardly anything at all in the playoff's........

[NO-KG-AI]

Because I said they are all average players right?

[eatyourchildren]

Wasn't David West like some 8/8 scrub last year? Kid could barely sniff a double double.

And didn't Peja lose his ability to shoot 3's 2 years ago? I read an article that he had a tumble in the Swiss alps, losing mobility in 2 fingers (shooting hand), rendering him useless from beyond 8 feet.

And didn't Tyson Chandler average something like 2.3 rebounds a game for the past 2 years? Word on the street was that his vertical-periphery vision was suffering from myopia.

That Chris Paul--MIRACLES.

[og15]

West is better than Martin, but he's an All-Star because the team is good, not because he's better than that many other star type big men or players in the West. For example, he's not better than Pau Gasol and Brand (who was injured but wouldn't have made the team this year either way because of a bad team). Out of all the Western All-Star big men, Amare, Duncan, Boozer, Yao, Dirk, West is obviously the odd one out in there. West was an All-Star this season not because he's one of those perennial All-Star caliber guys that you'd be hard pressed to leave off even if his team was just a little above .500, but because his team was really good, and a (as in one of the reasons) main reason why his team was really good was Chris Paul.

PG Paul>Carter
SG Peterson<AI
SF Peja<Melo
PF West<Kmart
C Chandler<Camby

OR

If the Hornets play the Mav's

PG Paul>Kidd
SG Peterson<Stackhouse/Terry
SF Peja<Howard
PF West<Nowitzki
C Chandler<Dampier

I don't get it, outside of the David West vs Kenyon Martin, and the Chandler vs Dampier which you obviously put as the Hornets losing to make a point I don't get, what other matchups woud you say they would win anyways?

MoPete is possibly the worst starting SG among the Western Conference playoffs teams with Michael Finley being the other one. Peja is an average player right now, but great shooter, but you compared him to a guy close to that superstar level in Carmelo and a guy who does it on both ends better than Peja in Howard. Camby rebounds just as well as Chandler, though not offensively, he is a vastly superior passer, blocks more shots, has similar defensive presence, though he has his faults, and if we want to add random things is a better shooter too, so what was your point with this one?

Wasn't David West like some 8/8 scrub last year? Kid could barely sniff a double double.

And didn't Peja lose his ability to shoot 3's 2 years ago? I read an article that he had a tumble in the Swiss alps, losing mobility in 2 fingers (shooting hand), rendering him useless from beyond 8 feet.

And didn't Tyson Chandler average something like 2.3 rebounds a game for the past 2 years? Word on the street was that his vertical-periphery vision was suffering from myopia.

That Chris Paul--MIRACLES.

When was any of this implied in any recent posts?

[NO-KG-AI]

He was trying to be a smart ass, pretending I said all the Hornets suck with Paul. Fail

[Bgil]

That's bogus, that's discrediting how much better Chris is, there's a reason David is having his best year scoring, Peja is shooting his highest 3pt% ever, and Chandler is scoring more than he used to, and a lot of that has to do with Chris taking his game to a new level.

Peja isn't an all-star anymore, and David was barely an all-star, and wouldn't be without Chris Paul

It's not like Peja's fallen off at all. He's still the same player he was a couple years ago when he made the ASG (for the third time BTW). Dude was an MVP candidate before Webber came back from injury and messed things up. Plus he's only 28. You act like he's Stackhouse, Finley, or Jalen Rose on his last legs.

Either way, this isn't Peja's best season by any measure. He functioned better when he was the main guy. He's not even playing as well as he did in Indy's messed up system.

West is as much an All-Star as Gasol was. It ain't because of Paul.. dude's a beast offensively. He'd still be a beast on any other team in the league.

I hope Paul gets the MVP and gets eliminated in the first round by Dallas so we can end this bull. Or better yet I hope they make it to the second round and get swept by the Jazz.

[NO-KG-AI]

No, West isn't Pau by any stretch, Pau has been shooting over 50% his entire career, and when he went somewhere with another star player he's up to like what, 58% now? West isn't that good, he's a nice player, but Pau is a borderline franchise player.

[abarl]

Tell that to memphis KG


The one nice thing about LA is you can always count on under the table deals to get you back up top.

[eatyourchildren]

No, West isn't Pau by any stretch, Pau has been shooting over 50% his entire career, and when he went somewhere with another star player he's up to like what, 58% now? West isn't that good, he's a nice player, but Pau is a borderline franchise player.

You're right. It's too bad Pau wasn't with the Lakers the entire season. Then we wouldn't be discussing how the tiebreaker is arbitrary (or not).

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm not even saying that Paul should be MVP, I was just saying the arguments are stupid that he has 2 all stars, when Peja isn't, and David wasn't.

[magicfan4life05]

I'm not even saying that Paul should be MVP, I was just saying the arguments are stupid that he has 2 all stars, when Peja isn't, and David wasn't.

QFT

w/o paul, peja and d. west just arent the same

[ChocolateThundr]

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You're right. It's too bad Pau wasn't with the Lakers the entire season. Then we wouldn't be discussing how the tiebreaker is arbitrary (or not).

I dont think NO-KG-AI is saying the tiebreaker is arbitrary. I believe he has said Kobe is MVP, if Im not mistaken.

[NO-KG-AI]

Yeah, I'd probably give Kobe the edge right now, but not really because of the records, but because Paul has dropped off a bit down the stretch, and Kobe has remained consistent.

I dunno, I've been flip flopping a lot, and I'm not sure that I would feel the same way if Chris wasn't my home town star.

[Bgil]

No, West isn't Pau by any stretch, Pau has been shooting over 50% his entire career, and when he went somewhere with another star player he's up to like what, 58% now? West isn't that good, he's a nice player, but Pau is a borderline franchise player.

Pau shoots a better percentage because he's 7 feet tall and can legitimately play center. In fact, he does play center for us. He's shooting 58% right now because Kobe makes the game ridiculously easy for him. Refer to my stats a few pages back showing Gasol and Odom leading the league in assisted dunk percentage.