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[conleyorbust]

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Please. Horford and Smith would get more opportunities inside if we replace Childress with someone who is a perimeter threat.

This team needs outside shooting and size. childress brings neither.

I gotta agree with tontoz to an extent, having Chil down low means that someone else isn't there. In our case it is often Smith who has the unfortunate tendency to fire up jumpers when he gets the ball on the perimeter and he doesn't have a lot of time on the clock.

I did a fairly cursory check and looked at the games that Chil missed this season, we didn't miss the O-rebounding. Other guys stepped up and we got as many if not more offensive boards as usual, (Smith had and especially big night which made me look at his 22 board performance in Houston... Chil only played 8 minutes). Its not definitive proof by any means, we were in the zone while Childress was out and playing a lot harder than we did any other time during the season but I think it supports tontoz' hypothesis to an extent at least.

I think the best thing that could happen is that a few teams get really hyped up on him and we can basically auction him off. Either that or absolutely no one wants him and we can snag him on the real low.

[killbuckner]

The thing is that I think that many teams will want childress at the MLE, I don't think that anyone will want to give up something of value and pay Childress more than the MLE in a S&T.

Personally I think the dropoff from Marvin to Childress is miniscule compared to Marvin's trade value. (remember that on this team the SF ideally should be the 5th option on offense) Its the same rationale I used before the season when I was in favor of a Marvin for Calderon trade and it still holds true. I would rather keep Childress and trade Marvin for equal value than keep marvin and let childress walk for nothing.

[Rip2137]

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Please. Horford and Smith would get more opportunities inside if we replace Childress with someone who is a perimeter threat.

This team needs outside shooting and size. childress brings neither.

Still doesn't change anything about my point. Childress is supposed to be a 6th man. Unless you replace what he does with someone else, you are making the team worse by getting rid of him. I don't care if you trade him for Reggie Evans, you need a guy that can get garbage buckets, knows how to get open and gets you hustle plays to replace him.

Every good team has at least one guy that fits that bill. the Hawks only have one. Let him go, and we are left with none, and teams simply don't succeed without that guy on the team.

[JoshB914]

Without Chillz I don't know where this team is right now. How many times has he saved us on wasted offensive possesions? I have completely changed my mind on him over the past few months. He is such a great role player for us. If it's at MLE, I think we need to keep him.

[tbhawksfan]

Move #1: Replace Woodson

Move #2: Trade Marvin for Artest and a 2008 second

Move #3: Draft BPA with SAC second

Move #4: Re-sign Smoove

Move #5: Re-sign Chil

Move #6: Sign Andersen

Move #7: Sign a cheap Def C


Bibby / Acie / Speedy

JJ / Chil / Mario

Artest / Richardson

Smoove / Zaza / Jones

Horford / Andersen / FA

[JoshB914]

Sacramento is not going to trade Artest for Marvin. Maybe Marvin and a future 1st rd would get him, but we'd have to get some fillers to make the $$$ work.

Other than that, I like those moves. I do think that Diop would be perfect for us, it will be interesting to see how much $$$ he receives.

[tontoz]

Without Chillz I don't know where this team is right now. How many times has he saved us on wasted offensive possesions?

A lot of those wasted offensive posessions are the result of poor spacing that he contributes to. And while he is ignoring floor balance by crashing the offensive boards all the time he is giving the other team easy looks on the fast break while he is trailing the play.

11.8 ppg in 30 minutes isn't hard to replace, especially considering his weak defense.

[Rip2137]

Artest's belief that he is a offensive superstar is what worries me. If he had more of a rodman mentality where he makes his calling card defensively and timely scoring, I would love him.

He is a strong STRONG offensive player down low, but he has turned into a black hole offensively the last few years at the expense of Kevin Martin.

Plus, he and Bibby probably weren't the best of buds in Sac so I don't know about adding that here.

[Rip2137]

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A lot of those wasted offensive posessions are the result of poor spacing that he contributes to. And while he is ignoring floor balance by crashing the offensive boards all the time he is giving the other team easy looks on the fast break while he is trailing the play.

11.8 ppg in 30 minutes isn't hard to replace, especially considering his weak defense.

Like him or not, there is no humanly way you can deny that we would have 5-6 more losses without him this year(maybe more).

You can blame him for the spacing all you want, he also is the only one on the team that seems to understand where to cut to get the ball and finishes damn well at the rim.

But I am not saying replace the guy, but just to let him go like you are suggesting is just foolish because once again, the team will be WORSE by doing so. You keep undervaluing all the things that he does because he doesn't shoot midrange shots. He is a decent three point shooter from the corners and could spread the court that way, but right now, with NO other hustle point garbage guy on the team, he has to do that.

Seriously, name ONE successful team that doesn't have "that guy" on there.

[JoshB914]

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A lot of those wasted offensive posessions are the result of poor spacing that he contributes to. And while he is ignoring floor balance by crashing the offensive boards all the time he is giving the other team easy looks on the fast break while he is trailing the play.

11.8 ppg in 30 minutes isn't hard to replace, especially considering his weak defense.

11.8 PPG on 58% shooting is very hard to replace in my opinion. And it not just the PPG, but how he gets them. You're talking about a lot of those points coming on possesions that otherwise would have come up empty.

If we can get good value in an S&T, or can get a guy better than that instead of signing him I am all for it, but I don't see many guys out there that can fill the role he has provided for us.

It will be interesting to see how it works out this summer. I'm just hoping it won't be BK making the decisions.

[tontoz]

11.8 PPG on 58% shooting is very hard to replace in my opinion. And it not just the PPG, but how he gets them

How he gets them is the whole problem. he gets them at the expense of defense and spacing in the half court offense.

[conleyorbust]

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Right, he was definitely useful and letting him go and them sitting on our asses would be stupid because he was the only guy that produced off the bench. However if we let him go and filled that spot with a guy that could hit the 3 (and therefore allow Smith to more effectively slash from the high post) and play defense than I think we have a better team.

If no one who fits better makes himself available then by all means keep him.

[JoshB914]

COB and Tontoz- what guys would you want to replace him with?

[tontoz]

COB and Tontoz- what guys would you want to replace him with?

Anyone who could backup the 2 or 3 and hit 3s without being a defensive liability. There are a lot of guys like that.

Hoops mentioned Roger Mason the other day who plays for the Wizards who i think would be perfect because he can also back up the point.

Mo Evans and Bogans from the magic are both UFA's and shouldn't cost a lot.

James Jones has a player option which i am not sure they will pick up.

There are a lot of guys who can back up the 2/3 and hit 3s. it isn't a hard spot to fill.

[Rip2137]

I would trade him for Eduardo Najara but I am not sure he is much cheaper. I think a guy like Robin Lopez is going to be in the same mold, only bigger. Guys like that would be proper replacements. But just tossing ashooter out there...I still think we would be missing something huge.

[Rip2137]

Once again toronz, you aren't replacing everything that chill does that are VERY important to a winning team. yes, we would have another shooter, but the team would get worse. Evans, Jones and bogans can't score in the open court like chills can. none of them can get to the offensive glass like him.

Hell, none of those guys give you anything that Jeremy Richardson couldn't right now honestly. Bogans is the only guy on that list that would be a defensive upgrade

[JoshB914]

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Anyone who could backup the 2 or 3 and hit 3s without being a defensive liability. There are a lot of guys like that.

Hoops mentioned Roger Mason the other day who plays for the Wizards who i think would be perfect because he can also back up the point.

Mo Evans and Bogans from the magic are both UFA's and shouldn't cost a lot.

James Jones has a player option which i am not sure they will pick up.

There are a lot of guys who can back up the 2/3 and hit 3s. it isn't a hard spot to fill.

I like that list. But let's be realistic, I'd be shocked if Portland doesn't pick up that option, that dude can shoot.

I'd rather have Chillz than Evans or Bogans. I've never been impressed by either.

Roger Mason is a good call. I would gladly take him over Chillz this offseason because like you said, he can shoot the ball and play the 1 or 2. That is definetely a guy to set our sights on.

[tontoz]

I'd rather have Chillz than Evans or Bogans. I've never been impressed by either.

Do you think Bogans and Mo will cost the same as Childress?

You have to look at cost in addition to prodution and fit with the team.

But let's be realistic, I'd be shocked if Portland doesn't pick up that option, that dude can shoot.

I actually made a typo. I am pretty sure Jones has a player option, not a team option.

Like i said it isn't a hard spot to fill. but the money that would be tied up by resigning Childress would make it very tough to plug the holes in the roster.

[Hawkeyes]

Does anyone know where we are money wise? 1st things 1st this offseason, Sign Josh Smith to as much as he wants, sign Jchill..then most importantly GET A BENCH. This team has a great starting 5 on paper, and a great 6th man, but outside of that we have nothing. Zaza is horrible, Salim is inconsistent, Richardson barely even plays and is unproven, Mario barely even plays, and Acie barely even plays. We have arguably one of the worst benches in basketball. Look at the Celtics, sure the big 3 are huge, but another key to their success is the fact that their bench is loaded. Then the last priority should be to fire Woodson, i'm sorry, but that guy has to make some of the oddest moves I have ever seen. We could be a 5-6 seed this year if we had a better coach.

[conleyorbust]

Like him or not, there is no humanly way you can deny that we would have 5-6 more losses without him this year(maybe more).

Maybe, obviously that is pure conjecture. The only thing we know is that we had our best stretch of the season while he was out. Now that doesn't mean we are better without him, the Cs played fine without KG for a similar stretch and I think that team is average at best without him. The point is that I think his on-court contributions can be replaced more easily by guys already on the roster. I think that if we had better spacing, Al and Josh (not to mention any other post player or slasher) would shoot a higher percentage... this is backed up by 82games. His offensive rebounding would be missed but again, the team percentages don't go up while he is on the court (except for offensive rebounding) and we let a lot more go defensively. I'm not using just stats here either, I'm using stats to back up what I (and a few others apparently) have seen.

We probably would have more losses but that is just because we have a bench that, for the most part, has been 1.5 deep since the trade. Its not that I wouldn't sign Chil at all, from what I understand we don't have to worry about him restricting our ability to make moves this summer because he is restricted. What I do worry about is signing a guy to a big contract who, if I had my way, would have his role on the team decreased because he doesn't fill a need.

If we can sign him for less than the MLE, I'm all for it but otherwise I don't think his value will match his contributions. Thats why I hope we can SnT him to a team that already has good perimeter defenders and big men that can shoot and spread the floor for Chil to work underneath.