Theus??

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Are you mad because I:

a. Don't agree with you.
b. Showed proof I'm not on an island in thinking Kevin Martin isn't the best thing since sliced bread.
c. Was so right that you had to come back with some weak line about reading comprehension skills?

I get mad when people act stupidly, it's a habit of mine I'm not gonna change, that's just the way it is.

What's bothering you? Yes I am a mod, and as any board member I can attack anyone's point of view.

That's all fine and dandy, the problem is, see, you quoted a comment and replied to something totally unrelated, and totally different, which would still be OK, if (see what follows)

...and here's the kicker...

As a mod I can warn you for attacking posters. I didn't attack you!

Back to the point.

Theus said Kevin Martin isn't a go to go. If Martin has an issue with that he needs to either:

a. Get in a gym and shut up
b. Recognize his roll, and still shut up
c. All of the Above

Martin isn't a go to guy. Why does this piece of information have to be sensitive OR confidential when everyone already knows this? Now if you can answer that question SRV without bringing into the conversation your high school standardized testing scores we can all get along just fine!

That's great if you did indeed read you can see these following comments of mine that were made before you posted

Kevin Martin isn't the guy to isolate with 5 seconds left and pary for a game winning shot, yes, Artest is better at that. I have no problem with Martin taking the last shot, he just shouldn't create it alone.

Martin is a great scorer, he's not a main component of a franchise. Even if he is, that has no bearing with who takes the last shot, Duncan and Shaq are the main components Manu and Kobe take the last shots.

He's not paid like a main component really, otherwise he would've gotten the max.

See ICMTM, the problem here isn't my "bringing into the conversation your high school standardized testing scores ", it's simply your lack of ability to comprehend what's written (if we're mentioning high school diploma), now, if you can get past that, we can get along just fine!
Now that you're out of high school diploma standardized testing scores, let's see what spin you're going to put on this.

[pillwenney]

I remember that at the beginning of the year, many (including myself) were saying how refreshing it was to hear honesty from our coach, particularly after Muss the Phenomenal BS Machine. Well guess what guys? We can't have our cake and eat it too.

At the same time, I do think that it's not as simple as "Kevin needs to call for the ball in crunch time". It seems to me that Theus is drawing up the plays for Ron pretty much every time, and so frankly, I don't remember Kevin having the ball in crunch time situations very much. And he has made some clutch shots in his career (when getting the ball on a kickout or something). So I don't really know about the validity of Reggie's statement, because I'm not sure Kevin has been given enough of an opportunity to say that he's not this or that. But if he thinks that, I don't really have a problem with him saying it.

[Smills91]

This is totally been blown out of proportion. It's really not that big of a deal.

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[SactownHrtBrks8]

I like it. Its not that big of a deal

Hopefully it motivates Martin to work hard this summer and prove Theus wrong

if he wants to then it shows what type of person he is, but i think he will be fine

[BMiller52]

I'm with ICMTM and KIE. I don't want a coach that bends over backwards for his players, especially when these players are getting paid millions of dollars for what they do. I also don't want crybaby players that sit and pout because the coach hurt their feelings. I would like to think that the NBA hasn't deteriorated to that point.

Martin needs to shut the hell up. The money and recognition is getting to his head. The back talking to the coach sounds like the talk of a spoiled brat to me.

Just to add one more thing, the criticism of Artest by some of you is not justified. If some of you had eyes, you would see that he's one of the few players we have that actually tries his best out there, all the time. Honestly, I rather have Artest on this team over anyone else, including Martin.

Why should Martin shut the hell up? Why is it that if a coach say it, it's okay, but if a player says it-it's not okay? Especially when that player is a more important piece to your franchise than the coach. Sorry but if Martin felt like he is getting dissed, I have no problem with the guy standing up for himself. He's in the NBA, he's the 6th leading **** scorer for pete's sakes, so he should have some arrogance. He should have some belief in himself. He's not pouting, he's kinda pissed that Reggie doesn't think he can be the guy. Would you rather him be a pouty "yes sir" type of player? Sorry but the guy is a star, if he wants to stick up for himself then good for him.

It's up to Kevin to go get it now in the clutch but Reggie also needs to start dividing the amount of plays each guy gets in the clutch. How the hell is Martin supposed to be the guy if he hasn't gotten the chance to prove himself and take the last second shots? And FYI he's definitely made more than he's missed. I remember his 1st 2 years he actually got to play, he had that game winning lay up in the PO's vs SA in 06 and last year he had 2 or 3 GWs. The ones I remember are vs MN in the middle of the season and the 3rd game vs Chicago. I'm pretty sure he made some big plays this year and probably atleast 1 GW this year.

[Ballings7]

I get mad when people act stupidly, it's a habit of mine I'm not gonna change, that's just the way it is.

Depending on the situation though, you can and should change that habit for the better. And on the other side of it, getting angry at stupidity is justified, depending.

[ICMTM]

I think you, and a few other Martin band wagonners are the only people shocked by Theus' comments.

let's see what spin you're going to put on this.

That's when the post stopped being about your comments. Are we done now? I think I illustrated the point clearly that Theus has the right and should be forthright with the media. If you want to compare GPA's and all that other crap...you win! Martin's not a go to guy...we agree (and quite frankly I don't remember saying we didn't, but I'm sure you'll remind me if I did).

[ICMTM]

Why should Martin shut the hell up? Why is it that if a coach say it, it's okay, but if a player says it-it's not okay? Especially when that player is a more important piece to your franchise than the coach. Sorry but if Martin felt like he is getting dissed, I have no problem with the guy standing up for himself. He's in the NBA, he's the 6th leading **** scorer for pete's sakes, so he should have some arrogance. He should have some belief in himself. He's not pouting, he's kinda pissed that Reggie doesn't think he can be the guy. Would you rather him be a pouty "yes sir" type of player? Sorry but the guy is a star, if he wants to stick up for himself then good for him.

It's up to Kevin to go get it now in the clutch but Reggie also needs to start dividing the amount of plays each guy gets in the clutch. How the hell is Martin supposed to be the guy if he hasn't gotten the chance to prove himself and take the last second shots? And FYI he's definitely made more than he's missed. I remember his 1st 2 years he actually got to play, he had that game winning lay up in the PO's vs SA in 06 and last year he had 2 or 3 GWs. The ones I remember are vs MN in the middle of the season and the 3rd game vs Chicago. I'm pretty sure he made some big plays this year and probably atleast 1 GW this year.

I just don't want to hear Kevin say anything...he can speak I suppose?

[Joseph17]

I like the fact that Martin stood up for himself. He needs to do this more often. Martin is clearly the best player and scorer on this team and he's being used as the second option. I would be pissed off also. Artest should be used as Martin's sidekick. I personally think that Theus is trying to get under Martin's skin to make him play with a chip on his shoulder.

[BMiller52]

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I just don't want to hear Kevin say anything...he can speak I suppose?

See I am in total disagreement about wanting to hear him say anything. No #1 option ever got there by saying "yes sir I know I am a #2, I shouldn't take more shots and I don't want it in the clutch". That's a Peja type mentality. I'm not saying he's a #1 now but if he's going to be one or like a 1.a type of option, he's going to have to stand up for himself and say "hey give me the mother %U(n ball, especially in the clutch". And I think that's kinda what he's doing here. Theus probably shouldn't have said it in the 1st place but I like Kevin's response. He WANTS it.

[ICMTM]

I want it, too.

I'm sorry but I've seen too many games where a Bruce Bowen or Kobe Bryant have just taken Martin COMPLETELY out of the game to even think he's going to develop into this mad closer.

[sackings916]

I'm sorry but I've seen too many games where a Bruce Bowen or Kobe Bryant have just taken Martin COMPLETELY out of the game to even think he's going to develop into this mad closer.

Exactly. When a good defender bodies him, sticks to him and is physical with him, Kmart has shown so far that he'll back down and become invisible instead of embracing the challenge and wanting to score on good defense, or maybe he' just not capable right now of scoring on that kind of defense consistently.

[BMiller52]

I want it, too.

I'm sorry but I've seen too many games where a Bruce Bowen or Kobe Bryant have just taken Martin COMPLETELY out of the game to even think he's going to develop into this mad closer.

lol I've seen Martin score a lot on Bowen before. I guess we'll just agree to disagree here, because we're not going to agree on how KMart should respond.

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That's when the post stopped being about your comments.
Are we done now? I think I illustrated the point clearly that Theus has the right and should be forthright with the media.
If you want to compare GPA's and all that other crap...you win! Martin's not a go to guy...we agree (and quite frankly I don't remember saying we didn't, but I'm sure you'll remind me if I did).

So that's the spin, you're now using your later posts for the argument instead of what you replied with, as you can see, that's not something I didn't expect...
And one more thing, you keep bringing the GPA into the conversation (red herring maybe? I don't know why), relax, I won't compare GPA's with anyone for 2 reasons:
1 I didn't learn in a school using American grade system.
2 It wouldn't be fair to you, I am probably the most educated poster on here.
Maybe that'll help you get it out of your system.

[KingInExile]

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So that's the spin, you're now using your later posts for the argument instead of what you replied with, as you can see, that's not something I didn't expect...
And one more thing, you keep bringing the GPA into the conversation (red herring maybe? I don't know why), relax, I won't compare GPA's with anyone for 2 reasons:
1 I didn't learn in a school using American grade system.
2 It wouldn't be fair to you, I am probably the most educated poster on here.
Maybe that'll help you get it out of your system.

ENOUGH!

You and ICMTM need to clear this up through a PM or two to each other...not in this thread anymore.

[KingInExile]

The problem I see with Martin in "clutch" is that his idea of trying to score is often to get his defender to bite on a pump fake, jump into his defender in hopes of drawing a foul (don't get me started on this weenie move of his) and do his scoring at the line. The problems with this strategy is 1) most officials don't give gift calls for stuff like this late in the game, 2) he has shown the ability to choke at the line late in the game, 3) pulling this move will likely result in a bad shot or a turnover when the officials don't bail him out with a call. I would much rather give the ball to someone who will take the ball into the block and create a scoring opportunity for himself or for his teammates. Artest has demonstrated that he is far more capable of doing that then Martin. Maybe Martin will learn how to do this one day...but that is not part of his package right now.

[Smills91]

How'd a 'Theus' thread turn into Martin is a cornerstone player - fact of fiction thread?

[ICMTM]

ENOUGH!

You and ICMTM need to clear this up through a PM or two to each other...not in this thread anymore.

I don't recall saying anything inflammatory or so off topic that is was worth clearing up over a PM. In fact my position has been pretty clear and conforms to forum rules.

How'd a 'Theus' thread turn into Martin is a cornerstone player - fact of fiction thread?

It's the underlying root of the "Theus' comments." The problem isn't Theus' comments, and quite frankly never have been. The problem really is that Theus (and MANY others) don't think Martin is the go to guy. Even in Kevin's response it was all about "the go to guy." Kevin never said anything about keeping these discussions in house. Kevin just wants the rock! He should!

So I post one line about people should be shocked by these comments and now I'm:

A Kevin Martin hater (mush love to BM52)
Starting a flame war
Inferior in school

The problem with Theus' comments (and this thread) is people have a hard time dealing in the realm of honesty! It's a two part discussion. Should Theus use the media as he has been, and is he right about what he's saying. IMO we're right on topic.

[KingInExile]

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I don't recall saying anything inflammatory or so off topic that is was worth clearing up over a PM. In fact my position has been pretty clear and conforms to forum rules.

I was just pointing out that the 2 of you have a minor misunderstanding. From what I see, you're both on the same page when it comes to the Martin/Artest debate (both see Artest as the better option late in the game). The only point of difference is whether Theus should have said anything in the media.

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I'm done with the subject, I'll that I don't think I trespassed any forum rules in my responses.