(1) Lakers v. (8) Nuggets

[airchibundo507]

I simply pointed out that your original assertion is/was incorrect, but apparently it was too complex for you to understand. The Nuggets do NOT need Iverson to drop 48 in 3 quarters to stay in the game based on the FACT that they've also stayed in the game in both of the other ones (one without Melo) up to the 4th quarter and some change without Iverson dropping that many.

Learn to read. I didn't say you need Iverson to drop 48 (as in every game all the time). I said you "needed it". As in that game. You probably would have been blown out (for a third time) had he not had an outburst

Getting blown out in two games and putting up your absolute best to hang in another one is not a good thing.

the regular season is not a good indicator of results in the playoffs.

two of the laker wins during the season were in november--melo was in a slump at that time and kenyon was a non-factor.

the other laker win was with melo injured for three quarters.

bynum is more important to the lakers than gasol because of what he contributes on the defensive end. he was averaging a solid 2.1 blocks per game prior to injury and was altering plenty of shots. while gasol contributes a lot offensively (not that bynum wasn't averaging 12 ppg on 64% FG)...the lakers are going to hurt without bynum on the floor.

if the nuggets can see any sort of results from nene...we will dominate the interior of this series on both ends of the court.

[OmniDEN]

I simply pointed out that your original assertion is/was incorrect, but apparently it was too complex for you to understand. The Nuggets do NOT need Iverson to drop 48 in 3 quarters to stay in the game based on the FACT that they've also stayed in the game in both of the other ones (one without Melo) up to the 4th quarter and some change without Iverson dropping that many.

Learn to read. I didn't say you need Iverson to drop 48 (as in every game all the time). I said you "needed it". As in that game. You probably would have been blown out (for a third time) had he not had an outburst

Getting blown out in two games and putting up your absolute best to hang in another one is not a good thing.

Next time you decide to post here try not to sound like a complete ****, you don't have to insult somebody to prove your point.

[big123]

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the regular season is not a good indicator of results in the playoffs.

two of the laker wins during the season were in november--melo was in a slump at that time and kenyon was a non-factor.

the other laker win was with melo injured for three quarters.

bynum is more important to the lakers than gasol because of what he contributes on the defensive end. he was averaging a solid 2.1 blocks per game prior to injury and was altering plenty of shots. while gasol contributes a lot offensively (not that bynum wasn't averaging 12 ppg on 64% FG)...the lakers are going to hurt without bynum on the floor.

if the nuggets can see any sort of results from nene...we will dominate the interior of this series on both ends of the court.

I agree, Bynum was a defensive force. Gasol is a piece of plastic compared to him. Ariza was also the "AI stopper" if you will. He's out too. I hope the Lakers single cover AI with Fisher and Farmar again, this time there will be no Ariza to save the day.

[bruno sundov]

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Oh dont sweat it.....the Lakers will be knocking on your door soon enough. I can see why you would root for every team we play right up till the finals.

Pray that Bynum and Ariza are not back by then.

LOL. IF I were to speak like that on your board I would have been booted off it. Anyway we don't sweat LA in BOS. Not when you have the best team in the league said by, your boy, the felon himself KB24.

[John from Hemet]

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LOL. IF I were to speak like that on your board I would have been booted off it. Anyway we don't sweat LA in BOS. Not when you have the best team in the league said by, your boy, the felon himself KB24.

Yeah except WE ARE NOT ON OUR BOARD OR YOURS. By the way the "Felon" comment shows just how low class trash you really are. Case was dropped remember?

[John from Hemet]

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I agree, Bynum was a defensive force. Gasol is a piece of plastic compared to him. Ariza was also the "AI stopper" if you will. He's out too. I hope the Lakers single cover AI with Fisher and Farmar again, this time there will be no Ariza to save the day.

You are right Gasol is n Bynum in the defense department. He does do some things offensively that open thins up for other people and he can score himself.

Regarding Ariza....we might have him back before this series is over.

[bruno sundov]

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Yeah except WE ARE NOT ON OUR BOARD OR YOURS. By the way the "Felon" comment shows just how low class trash you really are. Case was dropped remember?

I remember it all to well. I feel for that girl. But since it was KB24 or juice2, there is no way that was possible. I say DEN in 6.

[noone]

I simply pointed out that your original assertion is/was incorrect, but apparently it was too complex for you to understand. The Nuggets do NOT need Iverson to drop 48 in 3 quarters to stay in the game based on the FACT that they've also stayed in the game in both of the other ones (one without Melo) up to the 4th quarter and some change without Iverson dropping that many.

Learn to read. I didn't say you need Iverson to drop 48 (as in every game all the time). I said you "needed it". As in that game. You probably would have been blown out (for a third time) had he not had an outburst

When you say "You guys needed AI to drop 48 in 3 quarters just for you guys to stay in the game" and make no mention of any other game and use that as the crutch of your argument to say the playoffs shouldn't be any different than the regular season, it's pretty much inferring that the Nuggets need Iverson to score 48 to stay in the game.

And there you go at it again with the being blown out if it weren't for his outburst ("You probably would have been blown out (for a third time) had he not had an outburst"). The fourth quarter of Game 2 (where Iverson scored TWO points) and the first 3 quarters of Games 1 and 3 say otherwise.

Am I the only one that sees the contradiction in his post? The first couple sentences he's trying to say that he didn't imply that the Nuggets needed Iverson to score 48 in the first 3 quarters to stay in the game, and then the last sentence he goes on to say that without Iverson's outburst, the Nuggets wouldn't have been able to stay in the game.

Circles...

[milehigh]

Bgil trying to get his foot out of his mouth.

[John from Hemet]

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I remember it all to well. I feel for that girl. But since it was KB24 or juice2, there is no way that was possible. I say DEN in 6.

Your are ignorant in the facts of the case but I wont get into them this is about basketball.

Should we make it to the finals please feel free to bring this up to Kobe at the game....I would love to see him break that 80 point record in a game.

[O.C Brandon]

I apologize for my fellow Lakers' fans here, some of them talk on other boards more than they do on ours. I know they feel confident about our Lakers' team considering we've been less than average the past few years but they take it too far, almost makes you think some of these guys will actually be on the court instead of on their couch.

Denver has all the talent in the world, although they don't always utilize it...I just hope they don't get it together this year.

Enjoy the series, I won't say good luck because I wouldn't mean it ; )

[John from Hemet]

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In all honest I think we lakers fans EXPET AI to go off on us as dribble penetration by lightning quick guards has been our weakness since Bynum went out (and I hear may not be back)

We just have to try to hold the others down and hope AI will have poor shot seletion here and there.

[O.C Brandon]

7 Game series?

You realize we beat them in 3 games by an average of 17 points?

We beat them on their home court with Mihm and Walton starting...

Sorry Nuggets fans... This one will be over quick.

Dude, look but don't touch.

it's ok to come here and read but don't type stuff like this, you're not on the team. You can't back up a single word.

[O.C Brandon]

I don't even know why Lakers' fans are here saying half of this stuff, you Nuggets fans are showing our team the upmost respect.

[RJM]

Yeah, ignore those idiots. Sorry about that.

[John from Hemet]

There is no reason to be even slamming on the nugget fans....truth be told if the lakers were not in it I would root for them. I cant stand the Spurs, Suns, or Hornets.

[BigEvil]

I will say that I am a Laker fan. But also state I'm not here to troll or post mindlessly.

I do believe the Lakers will win, though. And here's why:

1. The slow pace of playoff basketball is to the Lakers' advantage because they have a superior post game. Pau, Lamar, and Kobe can post up effectively and do so often. Of the three Pau has the best post game and it should be noted that Pau has been burning some tough defenders of late including Tim Duncan and Tyson Chandler. Camby or whoever takes him is in for a long night.

2. Spacing will be an issue. In my opinion, Kobe has to be doubled. That means someone's going to be left open. Pau will also demand attention and he is a great interior passer and out of the double as well. Which again means your going to leave people open. So you'll have to pick your poison. Fish and Rad behind the arch, Odom on the dive, or you let Kobe and/or Pau have single converage.

3. Defense is another thing the Lakers have been playing better of late as well. They really did on number on NO and SA for good stretches. And it may surprise some, it surprised me, that Pau is an underrated defender. He may not have the bulk that Bynum has, but he is super long and has decent instincts and helped Duncan to a very miserable game. Fish has also upped his D in preperation for the playoff run as well. I think you'll have to look at point differential to get a measure of how much better the Lakers are defensively than what they appear at a glance.

4. Home court is vital moreso this year than any. With all the good teams in the West, you need every advantage you can get, and the Lakers have Home court throughout. I wouldn't underestimate the value of this.

In the end, I am tossing the former meetings out the window because both teams are different now. I will not disrespect your team by saying its going to be a sweep or some nonesense like that because as well as I know my teams strengths, I know their weaknesses too.

A.I. will have a field day as our PG is a notorious week link. Carmelo is strong and can overpower any of our SF's. And I won't sell Camby short as a help defender.

I will say though that Lakers are just more balanced, have more weapons, and just enough D to get it done.

I won't wish you luck, but I will wish you honor and good health. See you on Sunday.

[Ballin02]

Bgil said:

So far above everyone else? Probably not. So far above you guys? Certainly. Look no further than the coaching. You guys lost so badly in the regular season because Karl did some stupid things. Anytime Kobe has more assists than shot attempt then you're doing something wrong.

YOU ARE 7 GAMES ABOVE THE NUGGETS! 7!! How is that considered "so far above" them? The Lakers team is "so far above" the Sonics...they are "so far above" the Timberwolves..they are not "so far above" the Nuggets as you would like to beleive. Sorry. The Nuggets lost because Karl did stupid things? No sh*t! Tell us all something we don't know.

Denver has the worst defensive starting lineup in the playoffs right now.

Then the Lakers and the Suns must be a close second.

I don't see why this series is going to be any different than the regular season. You guys needed AI to drop 48 in 3 quarters just for you guys to stay in the game. After a quarter or two of getting used to your alley-oops you guys are going to get slaughtered.

This comment has already been addressed by other posters... but if you are a Laker fan like you claim, you should know better then anyone else that the regular season doesn't necessarily account for the post season. I beleive there was a season (in the Shaq era) where the Spurs swept the series during the regular season...and what did the Lakers do? They came back and swept the Spurs in the post season series. That is just a prime example of how you always shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket.

Also, the Nuggets didn't need AI to drop 48 pts in 3 quarters...he was having one of those nights and they were going to him untill the 4th quarter where Karl made one of his genious Coaching decisions to go away from the hot hand and have Iverson pass the ball...it cost the Nuggets the game. You said yourself that the majority of the mistakes made against the Lakers fell on Coaching, Karl makes the proper adjustments and I see this series being far more interresting then what you are trying to make it out to be.

I also find it funny that any Laker fan would talk about any player scoring 40 pts or more and the team losing....how many of those types of games has Kobe had? Exactly. GTFOH. Like I said before concentrate on your own team getting out the first round (in which they haven't done since Shaq left) before you come on other forums talking about a bunch on nonsense.

[pickaxe]

Carter vs. Fisher

Iverson vs. Bryant

Carmelo vs. Walton

Martin vs. Odom

Camby vs. Gasol

Karl vs. Jackson

[Mindflayer]

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This quote right here is a prime example of how some of the Lakers fans are entirely too cocky...you'll meet the Jazz in the WCF? Assuming you beat the Nuggets...and go on and beat either the Suns or the Spurs, and then you assume you can beat the Jazz in a seven game series after that? Bwahahahaha... don't get me wrong, I like what the Lakers are doing and their turn around this season, but some of you are taking it too far though. That Laker team still has just about as many flaws as anyone else in the West. There is no 1 dominate team in the West, otherwise there wouldn't be only 7 games seperating seeds 1-8. Just concentrate on getting out the first round yoursleves (in which you have not been able to do in years without Shaq).

Sorry about that. I thought Diuz was a Pheonix troll as Utah fans are usually far more classy. My mistake. I should of said "see you next round."

As for being too cocky most Laker fans, myself included, are responding to the trolls coming to your board and taking shots at our team. If you want I can pull off some very vile quotes made against the Lakers on this thread all made by non-Denver fans. Other than being cocky the Laker fans nor Nugget fans have not come close to hate being directed by the Laker haters visiting this board. Those are who my post was directed at.

As for this series I do think the Lakers will win, but then I'm a Laker fan. Do I think it will be easy - no. The Lakers biggest flaw is that our defense sucks which is similar to the Nuggets biggest flaw. I believe every team in the West will win one game on the road vs. the opponent. That is why home court may be huge; as a road team may have to win two road games; and that will be difficult for any team.

Added after edit: I would like to commend the Denver fans here for recognizing the one thing I thought only Laker fans realized. Bynum is a better player and bigger impact to our team than Gasol. Bynum was a far better rebounder and offensive player within 6 feet of the basket, slightly better defender, and far worse offensive player outside of 6 feet than Gasol. No other team's fans have come close to that realization.