OT: Mozilla Firefox Vs. IE7Pro

BRADSPACE · Post #21 » by **BRADSPACE** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:10 am

I like how Microsoft steals all of Moxilla's ideas and incorporates them into their own product. I thought that was a nice touch.

Post #22 » by **UCF** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:13 am

Firefox all the way. ^^^ You have it so right Bradspace... Microsoft ripped off so many of their ideas its not even funny.

zuppafly · Post #23 » by **zuppafly** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:46 am

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I never heard about this, and was surprised that MS was offering a pay version of IE.

Since you were browsing on the Microsoft site, I figured that you could provide a link.

Unless ....

I'm with you in this. Since the beginning of the thread I was like "wtf? Who pays for a addon for IE? And why does M$ charge for an addon for IE?".
I searched a lot in micro$oft's site and found absolutely nothing about it. The only IE pro addon I found was a free one and has nothing to do with M$ itself.
A link would clarify a lot. Why is it so hard to give?

Unless....

On the subject: Opera has the fastest rendering engine, Firefox is incredibly flexible (more than opera), is also very fast and the latest beta is lighter than the 2.0 version and it seems it'll be a top scorer on the acid2 test. The new Opera 9.5 and beyond will also be a top performer on that test and there are quite a few new functions that will make him even better to the common user (the opera sync fuction is a beauty. It works like the Foxmarks extension but it'll be built in).
IE... lol, Internet Exploder 7 still has huge chunks of code from IE6. That's how good of a browser he is. Yes, it looks quite better now, it's a bit faster, but it's still the worst of the three by far. He's like an ugly bitch covered with makeup. It'll get the job done if you're up for a quickie but you don't wanna wake up and have it by your side.

BRADSPACE · Post #24 » by **BRADSPACE** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:06 am

Does anyone know if it's possible to delete IE from your computer completely? Or, is it integrated into Windows? My roommate was kind enough to stock my computer up with spyware, and I'd really just like to ditch that POS browser altogether to get rid of the pop ups.

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #25 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:15 am

Opera and firefox is all I ever use.

I can pull up like 15-20 Tabs in Opera and it never slows down so that's all I need.

N4U|Redux · Post #26 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:28 am

This thread makes me want to cry...

The pain really started when Safari for Windows was recommended. WTF?

N4U|Redux · Post #27 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:34 am

UCF wrote:Firefox all the way. ^^^ You have it so right Bradspace... Microsoft ripped off so many of their ideas its not even funny.

I don't like M$ very much, I don't even use their OS, though I have no problem faking it in my logs when I visit sites (I've shown up in logs here probably using Windows and Konqueror at the same time...), but this type of thing is stupid.

"Copying" ideas is not bad. If other entrepreneurs didn't "copy" off of Henry Ford, where would we be now? If Xerox hadn't invented/marketed the first mouse and everyone else didn't "copy" it where would we be?

And so on.

"Ideas" are not intellectual property. Some guy cannot describe the theory of a proprietary database and say "ZOMG U GUYS CAN N3VER MAK3 TH1S." It just cannot be implemented the same. Huge freaking difference.

"Copy" away all you want Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple, Google, etc. Yes, Firefox guys came out with tabs first, whoopdie do, I guess that precludes everyone else from coming out with a commonly favored feature.

BTW - I am a religious user of Firefox. IE is a piece of garbage.

N4U|Redux · Post #28 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:39 am

BRADSPACE wrote:Does anyone know if it's possible to delete IE from your computer completely? Or, is it integrated into Windows? My roommate was kind enough to stock my computer up with spyware, and I'd really just like to ditch that POS browser altogether to get rid of the pop ups.

You can do it, just google it.

In some cases though you may need IE. A lot of GOV sites moan if you use FF. It even goes beyond merely changing your useragent. It doesn't cause significant overhead or something and it alone doesn't cause pop ups if you don't use it.

If you have tons of spyware though, just backup your relevant data and reformat, you may have other things (i.e. rootkits) you don't know about.

Either that, or dump the POS Windows OS while you're at it. Switch to Ubuntu or Fedora.

Shishnizzle · Post #29 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:33 am

ivDT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

last i heard, opera was indeed faster than both ie and firefox and more standards compliant. it even has a bittorrent client built in, iirc.

not a bad little browser, really.

I would like to respond to you in this post, but I don't know what the hell your talking about, but it's not your fault. I'm just an idiot.

N4U|Redux · Post #30 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:06 pm

1. It's faster: loads pages quicker
2. More standards compliant: it interprets the HTML (for instance) correctly.
3. a built in bittorrent client: a p2p filesharing service that'll get your ass thrown in jail or court if you get busted by the RIAA/MPAA using it.

If I were to evaluate all the browsers alone, Opera could win. However, the addons for firefox are what differientates it from the competition, it has so many quality ones its amazing.

Shishnizzle · Post #31 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:22 pm

I am having a few problems with Firefox that I was not having with IE7Pro.

1. When using add block with IE7pro it automatically blocks all adds from all pages.
With Firefox I am having to go into the addblock and select the adds in the page and block them one at a time. You can't use the control button and select them all and block them all at once and it closes itself after you block one and then you have to reopen it and do the next one. Also you have to this on every site you visit. That is very time consuming.

2. With Ie7pro I can turn off the download manager off and let windows select where to download too and what my defaults are and open it with that application.
Firefox is using there download manager and it is not opening the video I want to look at. It does not give me the option to shut thier download manager off.

ivDT · Post #32 » by **ivDT** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:00 am

BigCityCat wrote:I am having a few problems with Firefox that I was not having with IE7Pro.

1. When using add block with IE7pro it automatically blocks all adds from all pages.

i'm curious to know how this is possible.

how does it know, for example, the difference between a regular gif or embedded flash object and an ad gif or flash object?

it would need to have to some source it can pull from to know what is okay to block and what isn't.

firefox has an extension called filterset.g that updates your adblock blocklist with such information.

With Firefox I am having to go into the addblock and select the adds in the page and block them one at a time. You can't use the control button and select them all and block them all at once and it closes itself after you block one and then you have to reopen it and do the next one. Also you have to this on every site you visit. That is very time consuming.

unless, of course, you already blocked the ad while visiting another site.

i think the filterset.g extension will go a long way in alleviating your problem, but learning how to create rules for adblock using regular expressions, especially wildcard regular expressions, would also help.

i will admit that it would be easier for everyone if adblock just let you select more than one item to block at a time.

that is a pretty annoying user interface flaw.

2. With Ie7pro I can turn off the download manager off and let windows select where to download too and what my defaults are and open it with that application.

change your settings.

firefox gives you the option of selecting where you store your files and, if you choose not to store them, what program you're going to use to open them.

i'm using firefox 3, in tools->options->main there's an option under the downloads heading that says "always ask me where to save files".

Firefox is using there download manager and it is not opening the video I want to look at. It does not give me the option to shut thier download manager off.

again, change your settings if you want firefox to open your files in a particular program.

in firefox 3, this is done by going to tools->options->applications or simply selecting the program from the dialog box firefox gives you when you attempt to download a file.

if you want to use a different download manager, check out the flashgot extension.

N4U|Redux · Post #33 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:53 am

BigCityCat, use adblockplus, it doesn't require configuration. AFter you install it, it'll ask you for a 'subscription' you wish to use, and from there it'll block things from that subscription (if you're in the USA just say the USA one).

I add manual things every so often, but they aren't ads usually, more like things I'd rather not see. For instance, I've adblocked images from certain individuals here...

Shishnizzle · Post #34 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:12 pm

Okay, I will check it out, thanks.

Shishnizzle · Post #35 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:25 pm

i'm curious to know how this is possible.

how does it know, for example, the difference between a regular gif or embedded flash object and an ad gif or flash object?

it would need to have to some source it can pull from to know what is okay to block and what isn't.

firefox has an extension called filterset.g that updates your adblock blocklist with such information.

I'm not sure but it did block all of the adds without me having to configure it at all.

Shishnizzle · Post #36 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:49 pm

OK, I got everything working on there now with the help of your suggestions. Adblock plus is doing it for me, so that is good and the download manager saving to disk is working, but for some reason it won't open windows media player files when I select to open them with windows media player. It keeps giving me an error message, but it's working real good right now so I am going to give Firefox a real good look now and I might not go back to IE at all.

Shishnizzle · Post #37 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:58 pm

Oh sorry just for clarification, it will play in windows media player I just have to select the file from my downloaded content file and select to play with windows media player. For some reason it won't automatically open the media player when it asks you how you want to open it. In other words I have to use the save to disk option.
I need some suggestions on what you might call must have add ons. Let me know what the add ons do. Thanks for your help.

Fran Vasquez · Post #38 » by **Fran Vasquez** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:14 pm

get opera for normal browsing, firefox + some add blocker + noscript extension for risky navigation, and keep explorer updated and ONLY use it if the other two do not open a particular website

N4U|Redux · Post #39 » by **N4U|Redux** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:51 pm

Fran Vasquez wrote:get opera for normal browsing, firefox + some add blocker + noscript extension for risky navigation, and keep explorer updated and ONLY use it if the other two do not open a particular website

Good advise here.

Shishnizzle · Post #40 » by **Shishnizzle** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 pm

I believe in opera but it's not protected by Norton so I won't use it. I don't have a lot of technical understanding when it comes to computers. I need to let Norton protect my ass to feel safe.