MVP Watch Part VI

[Doctor MJ]

the assumption in my previous post is that if you voted after the playoffs, it would be for the total of the regular season + playoffs, not a playoff only MVP.

two years ago, LeBron came in second and during the playoffs he proved wrong many of the reasons I saw voters give for voting against him. You could make a case for wade, but that would be more a playoff MVP than a combined MVP. Perhaps there was a better case for Dirk winning that one.

Last year LeBron carried his team to the finals including that legendary performance in game 5 against the pistons while the guy who won MVP clearly wouldn't have won after his playoff performance. I think it'd be hard to give the season+playoffs MVP to duncan last year when he wasn't the MVP for his own team in the finals.

This year he has a pretty big hurdle to overcome as the consensus is pretty strong that he's no better than 3rd right now and there's a strong chance that one of the two guys ahead of him gets to the finals. LeBron would have to get the cavs to the finals and win against them to overcome that.

Oh no man, I knew you were talking about that.

In '05-06, I had LeBron as my regular season MVP, and Wade finishing 2nd to him. Wade was easily more impressive in the playoffs, so it's wasn't close for overall MVP. Now, if you had him as nothing close to an MVP candidate in the regular season, I could understand reluctance to call him the overall MVP. However, if you had him as nothing close to a contender, it was because you were underrating him under the assumption that Shaq was a lot more important than he actually was, and you should retroactively realize that was a mistake.

In '06-07, I had Duncan easily ahead of LeBron in the regular season MVP race, Duncan had a fantastic playoff against any team that could threaten the Spurs, and which obviously didn't include the Cavs, who wouldn't have gotten close to the Finals had they been in the West. Now if you had Duncan as not a strong contender for MVP in the regular season, I could understand reluctance to call him the overall MVP. However, if you didn't have Duncan as a strong contender for MVP, you were just plain wrong.

[INKtastic]

However, if you had him as nothing close to a contender, it was because you were underrating him under the assumption that Shaq was a lot more important than he actually was, and you should retroactively realize that was a mistake.

are you talking about then or now, if you're talking about now, don't you have to retroactively realize that shaq's impact was very underrated 2 years ago. Wade has been able to do nothing without Shaq. Last year he couldn't keep the team in the playoff picture, this year he couldn't keep them out of the cellar of the league. There is NO WAY miami wins the title without Shaq. There is NO WAY they even get to the finals.

[sixers_610]

Chris Paul. And it's not even close.

[Doctor MJ]

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are you talking about then or now, if you're talking about now, don't you have to retroactively realize that shaq's impact was very underrated 2 years ago. Wade has been able to do nothing without Shaq. Last year he couldn't keep the team in the playoff picture, this year he couldn't keep them out of the cellar of the league. There is NO WAY miami wins the title without Shaq. There is NO WAY they even get to the finals.

It's wrong to attribute all that to Shaq. Remember, in '04-05, Miami swept their way through the 2nd round of the playoffs with Shaq missing most of the series. Seems pretty clear that if that team could get to the Conference Finals without Shaq, they wouldn't have been the worst team in the league.

[Bruh Man]

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It's wrong to attribute all that to Shaq. Remember, in '04-05, Miami swept their way through the 2nd round of the playoffs with Shaq missing most of the series. Seems pretty clear that if that team could get to the Conference Finals without Shaq, they wouldn't have been the worst team in the league.

true but they had alonzo and he was playing great

[INKtastic]

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It's wrong to attribute all that to Shaq. Remember, in '04-05, Miami swept their way through the 2nd round of the playoffs with Shaq missing most of the series. Seems pretty clear that if that team could get to the Conference Finals without Shaq, they wouldn't have been the worst team in the league.

What does beating the wizards in 04-05 have to do with it. They wouldn't have beat the pistons in 05-06 without Shaq. Without beating the pistons, they don't get to the finals. There is a huge difference between the 04-05 wizards and the 05-06 pistons.

[HouMac]

Once LeBron's play fell off over the last month of the season due to back issues...it became obvious CP3's the man. He's been the league's 2nd best player all year(stretches where he's been THE BEST too) and has carried his team to a SPECTACULAR record in a loaded conference. No to mention how reliant NO is one him. Take him out and they'd be a BAD team. He's the obvious choice for MVP to me but the award, sadly, has been changed from Most Valuable Player to Lifetime Achievement award this season. So...prepare yourself for another undeserving winner.

[Bgil]

CP3 should be the MVP and imo it's not even close. Anyone that says Kobe was more responsible for the Lakers success than Paul was for the Hornets success is nothing but a homer. .

Did you watch the Denver game? It's basically an exaggerated version of what's been happening all year (in regards to how other teams play us). Teams basically distort traditional defensive basketball theory to the point that Gasol and Odom get wide open dunks all day. If you watch all the highlights from the last 30 games you'll see the same thing over and over; the defense overplaying Kobe followed by him assisting or hockey assisting a cutting dunker.

That overplay simply doesn't happen with Kobe off the floor. Radman and Walton aren't going to have AC and Iverson on them without a defensive strategy custom tailored to stop Kobe. Without Kobe the team is basically the Memphis Grizzlies.

[eatyourchildren]

The MVP race is officially boring. I forget how awesome the playoffs are.


At this point I just want the Celtics to go up against the Cavaliers, and for the Lakers to meet the Hornets in the WCF Semis (hopefully Bynum is back by then)

[JellosJigglin]

Once LeBron's play fell off over the last month of the season due to back issues...it became obvious CP3's the man. He's been the league's 2nd best player all year(stretches where he's been THE BEST too) and has carried his team to a SPECTACULAR record in a loaded conference. No to mention how reliant NO is one him. Take him out and they'd be a BAD team. He's the obvious choice for MVP to me but the award, sadly, has been changed from Most Valuable Player to Lifetime Achievement award this season. So...prepare yourself for another undeserving winner.

So now Kobe is undeserving? lol

[tracey_nice]

The MVP race is officially boring. I forget how awesome the playoffs are.


At this point I just want the Celtics to go up against the Cavaliers, and for the Lakers to meet the Hornets in the WCF Semis (hopefully Bynum is back by then)

I am pretty sure the Lakers will meet the winner of the Houston, Utah series in the WCF semis, for them to play the Hornets it would have to be in the WCF.

[Andrew Bynasty]

He's the obvious choice for MVP to me but the award, sadly, has been changed from Most Valuable Player to Lifetime Achievement award this season. So...prepare yourself for another undeserving winner.

Riiight... Because Kobe leading the Lakers to the best record in the West makes him undeserving...

[2poor]

Seems like neutral observers care more than Hornets fans do.

Paul will get his at some point; if not now, in the future. The playoffs are far more exciting than an individual award right now.

[tkb]

RealGM forums accurately predicts awards again? Damn straight.

Official top 3 for 6MOY:
1. Manu Ginobili
2. Leandro Barbosa
3. Jason Terry

RealGM top 3:
1. Manu Ginobili
2. Leandro Barbosa
3. Jason Terry

[2poor]

A blind person's helper dog could've predicted the 6MOY award.

(the winner anyways)

[tkb]

He's the obvious choice for MVP to me but the award, sadly, has been changed from Most Valuable Player to Lifetime Achievement award this season. So...prepare yourself for another undeserving winner.

62% of the people voting in this thread voted for Kobe, and Kobe also won the official RealGM fan vote with 412 points to CP3's 383. You're in the minority if you think Kobe is undeserving of the MVP this season.

[Miami's Finest]

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Did you watch the Denver game? It's basically an exaggerated version of what's been happening all year (in regards to how other teams play us). Teams basically distort traditional defensive basketball theory to the point that Gasol and Odom get wide open dunks all day. If you watch all the highlights from the last 30 games you'll see the same thing over and over; the defense overplaying Kobe followed by him assisting or hockey assisting a cutting dunker.

LMAO did you watch the game? I'm guessing you think the defense was distorted towards the Lakers bench, b/c that is when Gasol and Odom were playing their best ball and the Lakers made their run... when Kobe was on the bench. Very few MVP type candidates could be afforded the type of game Kobe had and still win games in the playoffs. Shooting 9 for 26 with 1 assist. And the majority of his points came late in the 4th when the game was already over and Kobe for some reason kept running iso plays.

Without Kobe the team is basically the Memphis Grizzlies.

WOW... the Kobe homers on this site leave me speechless once again.

[Bruh Man]

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LMAO did you watch the game? I'm guessing you think the defense was distorted towards the Lakers bench, b/c that is when Gasol and Odom were playing their best ball and the Lakers made their run... when Kobe was on the bench. Very few MVP type candidates could be afforded the type of game Kobe had and still win games in the playoffs. Shooting 9 for 26 with 1 assist. And the majority of his points came late in the 4th when the game was already over and Kobe for some reason kept running iso plays.

WOW... the Kobe homers on this site leave me speechless once again.

right i'm sure celtics and hornets never make runs when their star is out the game

[2poor]

right i'm sure celtics and hornets never make runs when their star is out the game

A better stat to show Paul's dominance may be this one: Paul 38, Mavs 34. That was the score for the first 23:02 of the second half. From halftime until he checked out to a rousing ovation with 58 seconds left, Paul had 24 points and seven assists, accounting for 38 New Orleans points. Up to that point in the half, the entire Dallas team had scored only 34.

[shobe_81]

So what does Celtics 8-2 record without KG speak

I understand you want to downplay Kobe's impact Miami's Finest, but again did Martin guard Kobe at the 3pt line have nothing to do with Gasol's impact in the paint?

And they had a 12pt lead when Kobe went to the bench before they blew it open

At the 5:18 3rd quarter Lal 78-66 lead (12pt lead)
Kobe get substituted

End 3rd quarter
Lal 97-78 (17pt lead)

So they increased the Lead from 12 to 17 when Kobe went to the bench, they increased the lead by 5 with Kobe on the bench.

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY Miami's Finest?