On the other hand, Suns proved they are better than Spurs

Mr. Sun · Post #1 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:54 pm

Lets look at game 1 facts:

Shaq was out for 28 mins of the game.

Amare was out for 12 mins of the game.

Nash was slowed by the flue.

Hill played only 28 mins, slowed by groin.

Giricek played only 12 mins while LB played 41 mins.

Skinner only saw 2 mins.

Spurs were playing at HOME.

With all the above pluses in Spur's favor, they could not close the deal and took them two OT's and two last minute desperate shots to win by 2.

blix · Post #2 » by **blix** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:06 pm

Really?

MSuns.13 · Post #3 » by **MSuns.13** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:10 pm

We have heart...just no defense.

Seattlesun · Post #4 » by **Seattlesun** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:21 pm

I dont think there's any question the suns are more talented. It took massive foul trouble, two OT's, two miracle 3's, and homecourt advantage for the spurs to win.

Unfortunately, talent alone wont get it done. Cant be dumb and make mistakes closing out against a team like the spurs, they will make you pay everytime.

Post #5 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:06 pm

I'm going to disagree...the 'better team' is able to respond in pressure situations, and PHX wilted while SA thrived.

We're still evenly matched, IMO, but I can't say that I think of Phoenix as 'better'.

Magz50 · Post #6 » by **Magz50** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:07 pm

Mr. Sun wrote:Lets look at game 1 facts:

Shaq was out for 28 mins of the game.

Amare was out for 12 mins of the game.

Nash was slowed by the flue.

Hill played only 28 mins, slowed by groin.

Giricek played only 12 mins while LB played 41 mins.

Skinner only saw 2 mins.

Spurs were playing at HOME.

With all the above pluses in Spur's favor, they could not close the deal and took them two OT's and two last minute desperate shots to win by 2.

This thread deserves one of these: :violin:

Mr. Sun · Post #7 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:40 pm

Magz50 wrote:This thread deserves one of these:

I'll come over to the Stern Forum and play that same violin when Spurs are sent packing.

Magz50 · Post #8 » by **Magz50** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:45 pm

Most Spurs fans aren't listing every excuse under the "Sun" when we lose though.

NaplesSunsFan · Post #9 » by **NaplesSunsFan** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:51 pm

Even Tim Duncan's fist pumps look gay....

Mr. Sun · Post #10 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:52 pm

Magz50 wrote:Most Spurs fans aren't listing every excuse under the "Sun" when we lose though.

Are you sure? I read the Spur threads often... :lol:

Post #11 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:55 pm

Most worrisome is that Parker took 20 shots, Duncan and Manu took 24 and the Suns couldn't see their way into some kind of significant effort to take the ball out of the hands of San Antonio's stars.

Finley is the only guy to take more than 5 shots besides those 3 and the Suns simply did nothing to change their plan of attack with defensive pressure.

DJ didn't play a minute; he should have had 20 minutes during that game at LEAST so he could harass Parker from baseline to baseline and then meet up with trapping defenses playing off Oberto when Parker crossed the timeline or even just before. Raja played 54 minutes or so...

DJ's 6'5, he can play the 2. Yeah

Sun Scorched · Post #12 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:06 pm

NaplesSunsFan wrote:Even Tim Duncan's fist pumps look gay....

Haha, holy lord that's funny. And true.

tsherkin wrote:DJ didn't play a minute; he should have had 20 minutes during that game at LEAST so he could harass Parker from baseline to baseline and then meet up with trapping defenses playing off Oberto when Parker crossed the timeline or even just before. Raja played 54 minutes or so...

Fantastic point tsherkin. The funny thing about rookies is that everyone rips on them for not having playoff experience. Fair enough, they don't. But they will never gain experience if they never play. I think that 15-20 minutes for someone who can lock down Parker is more than fair. If we could just keep them from scoring when Nash, Amare and Shaq are out, we would be fine.

The problem has always been that, when Nashty and the crew are out, the other teams break off little runs to get back in the game.

I wish we could see some of this on Tuesday.

Strawberry on Parker
Bell on Ginobili
Hill on Bowen
Diaw on Duncan
Skinner on Oberto

I think those are our best defensive matchups. Shaq does fantastic on Duncan, but the refs are letting Duncan drop his shoulder and drive right into Shaq's center of gravity... and I want Shaq to stay out of foul trouble.

Sun Scorched · Post #13 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:07 pm

To point something out for all of you who will undoubtedly say something about this...

No, I don't mean to have all of those guys on the court at the same time, i'm strictly talking about our best possible match-ups.

NaplesSunsFan · Post #14 » by **NaplesSunsFan** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:10 pm

DO NOT LET SKINNER BACK IN THE GAME!!!!!!

Sean Marks.. or somebody. JUST NOT SKINNER!

Adde91202 · Post #15 » by **Adde91202** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:13 pm

Already making excuses? JESUS CHRIST SOME OF YOU SUNS FANS ARE PATHETIC! Basketball is a game of matchups, which include strategical developments, don't be stupid and already come up with excuses. I am a Spurs fan but I like the Suns as well, but I hate when idiotic fans post threads right after a loss with a bunch of excuses.

pidi · Post #16 » by **pidi** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:52 pm

to be the better team isn

Mr. Sun · Post #17 » by **Mr. Sun** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:16 pm

Adde91202 wrote:Already making excuses? JESUS CHRIST SOME OF YOU SUNS FANS ARE PATHETIC!

I'll tell you what is pathetic: Spur fans equating facts with excuses. Now that is pathetic!

Heat3 · Post #18 » by **Heat3** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:52 pm

The only way to prove that you are better than the Spurs is to actually beat them. You don't want to sound like Mavricks fans now do you? They still think they were better than the Heat in 06.

Sun Scorched · Post #19 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:05 pm

Adde91202 wrote:Already making excuses? JESUS CHRIST SOME OF YOU SUNS FANS ARE PATHETIC! Basketball is a game of matchups, which include strategical developments, don't be stupid and already come up with excuses. I am a Spurs fan but I like the Suns as well, but I hate when idiotic fans post threads right after a loss with a bunch of excuses.

How about we agree that, as long as you are posting on the Suns forum, you only add things to the conversation. That sounds nice.

Oh, but I did like the ALL CAPITAL LETTERS THOUGH, IT REALLY EMPHASIZED YOUR POINT!

BurningHeart · Post #20 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:25 pm

We didnt prove anything.

You prove things by winning.