Iverson was a drag on the 76ers

writerman · Post #1 » by **writerman** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:27 pm

I've made no secret of it--I've never liked Iverson's selfish chucker style, his game, and his "you're talkin' about practice" stupidity.

Seeing what the 76ers have done this year without him--making the playoffs and beating a more talented team in game one of the playoffs only reinforces my perception that I(verson is not good for a team--any team. It was one of the best moves they ever made when they got rid of him, and IMO they would be lookingt at the lottery this year if he'd still been with them.

Comments?

SuigintouEV · Post #2 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:29 pm

Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with the overall IQ improvement of dalembert, the development of the young guys, and the fact that Chris Webber is gone. And i'm sure the nuggets didn't just win the most games in over 20 years for thier team, in a tough tough west.

Post #3 » by **5DOM** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:30 pm

i'll see how far the sixers go first

b-ball forever · Post #4 » by **b-ball forever** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:31 pm

Yeah, it's pretty obvious Philly won that trade, which nobody wuda thunk at the time it got pulled off.

Not only did the Sixers become a much better team, the trade didn't make the Nugz any beta either.

Huge talent, but not the better option to run ur offense over Andre Miller

theTHIEF · Post #5 » by **theTHIEF** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:32 pm

poor Billy King...

sp6r=underrated · Post #6 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:32 pm

The lack of progress made by the Nuggets after the Iverson trade, and the improvement of the 76ers does bring support to Iverson's critics. I'm not willing to state that he is a drain on every team, but his historical legacy is in doubt.

magicfan4life05 · Post #7 » by **magicfan4life05** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:34 pm

if sixers beat the pistons, billy king should be rehired by philly so he can be Exec of Year

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #8 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:34 pm

Iversons a warrior and his play has nothing to do with the Nuggets problems. They have way too much money tied up in Martin and Nene and have no true point guard. All that team needs is a defensive minded point guard who can hit the three. I wouldn't be surprised if Carmelo is shipped this offseason and Hinrich and Artest are brought in.

Hinrich
Iverson
Artest
Martin
Camby

A much more balanced roster.

b-ball forever · Post #9 » by **b-ball forever** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:37 pm

5DOM wrote:i'll see how far the sixers go first

LMAO.
They went from one of the worse teams in the NBA to making the playoffs on a .488 reg season record, and beatin the Pistons in their house.
They already went far enuf

SuigintouEV · Post #10 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:46 pm

b-ball forever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

They went from one of the worse teams in the NBA to making the playoffs on an above .500 reg season record, and beatin the Pistons in their house.

2005 Sixers - 43-39 with iverson, iguodala and chris webber (who by all means was a negative)
2006 Sixers - 38-44 with iverson, iguodala and chris webber (who by all means was a negative)
2008 Sixers - 40-42 with miller, iguodala, and an athletic, young group of guys playing nice D

Not seeing the improvement or above .500 reg season record.

And as far as 2007 is concerned, the fact that webber left as soon as AI did essentially explains why they started playing decent against teams tanking for Oden; they even got Joe SMith in return for AI.

Give credit where it's due: Mo Cheeks and the surprisingly fantastic job he's done this year getting a young group of players to play defensive basketball. And that's what the sixers are: a play-hard, solid defensive team with offensive issues. We've seen teams like that built around iverson too, albeit those had even less talent as far as offensive production.

Post #11 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:46 pm

Iverson is not a drag on Denver because he's playing the role for which he is best suited...

Second option. He's doing a fantastic job there. Denver's problems are weak offensive balance, lack of perimeter shooting and crappy defense.

They are over-reliant on isolation sets for Melo and AI and don't have sufficient ball movement or a really reliable third scorer. The fact that their frontcourt is pitiable and useless in terms of scoring isn't helpful, either.

b-ball forever · Post #12 » by **b-ball forever** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:50 pm

SuigintouEV wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

2005 Sixers - 43-39 with iverson, iguodala and chris webber (who by all means was a negative)
2006 Sixers - 38-44 with iverson, iguodala and chris webber (who by all means was a negative)
2008 Sixers - 40-42 with miller, iguodala, and an athletic, young group of guys playing well

Not seeing the improvement or above .500 reg season record.

Oh ya, my bad. They finished off on a 4 game losing streak which made em finish at .488
But that's stil a big improvement over their .427 record last year

HarlemHeat37 · Post #13 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:53 pm

if Iverson was born in the 40's or 50's, this thread wouldn't exist..

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #14 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:54 pm

Denver just had the best season in 20 years .. while 6ers were just a .500 team.

Next year Philly will make huge improvements, maybe 45-50 wins..people are gonna use that to knock on AI without taking into taking account maybe the young players are just getting better, not AI holding em back.

Recks · Post #15 » by **Recks** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:01 pm

Let's see Philly get back to the NBA finals first without Iverson, not just a fluke upset in round 1, game 1 of the playoffs

Post #16 » by **5DOM** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:02 pm

HarlemHeat37 wrote:if Iverson was born in the 40's or 50's, this thread wouldn't exist..

writerman is in his 60s, so maybe 50-60s

Post #17 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:02 pm

As far as AI being a drag, it's worth noting that he'd actually just worn out his welcome.

His last year or two in Philly, he was playing some of the best ball of his career. He was passing well, scoring more efficiently and generally looking a lot better. The problem was that after a decade of AI's personality and habits, it was time to get rid of him.

JordansBulls · Post #18 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:42 pm

How does a guy who leads a team to the finals a drag on the team?

Post #19 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:52 pm

JordansBulls wrote:How does a guy who leads a team to the finals a drag on the team?

AI's Finals appearance in '01 was a miraculous event that hinged heavily on an INCREDIBLY stacked team in terms of defense and rebounding, not to mention an outstanding coach. He was able to chuck without conscience because he had a team that turned his bricks into assists. Then, he got especially lucky in consecutive 7-game postseason series and was then promptly smashed aside by the Lakers. I don't consider that an achievement of note, especially since the team had no staying power, especially since they promptly collapsed the year after, winning 13 fewer games. Bounced back after that to 48 and then completely imploded.

Blame Rasho · Post #20 » by **Blame Rasho** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:55 pm

tsherkin wrote:AI's Finals appearance in '01 was a miraculous event that hinged heavily on an INCREDIBLY stacked team in terms of defense and rebounding, not to mention an outstanding coach. He was able to chuck without conscience because he had a team that turned his bricks into assists. Then, he got especially lucky in consecutive 7-game postseason series and was then promptly smashed aside by the Lakers. I don't consider that an achievement of note, especially since the team had no staying power, especially since they promptly collapsed the year after, winning 13 fewer games. Bounced back after that to 48 and then completely imploded.

I agree with you, but you have to give AI props for at least being the major reason in winning game 1 vs perhaps the best team of this era.