My offseason plan

[sacking78]

Nice trade smiles.

[longfellow44]

That trade really sets us up. After a trade like that i would follow it up with giving Artest an extension because we could then compete in the West for a decent playoff spot and if Hawes develops quickly this coming year we could actually challenge for something. We just need to make sure that Who ever we pick in the draft needs to be a good defensive PF.

I think Arthur would make that line up really nice.

Ford/Udrih
Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia
Moore/Arthur
miller/Hawes

It's a great blend of youth and Vets. And if we structure Artest extension corectly we could have a ton of Cap space when all the vets come off the books in 2010.

[Smills91]

That trade really sets us up. After a trade like that i would follow it up with giving Artest an extension because we could then compete in the West for a decent playoff spot and if Hawes develops quickly this coming year we could actually challenge for something. We just need to make sure that Who ever we pick in the draft needs to be a good defensive PF.

I think Arthur would make that line up really nice.

Ford/Udrih
Martin/Douby
Artest/Garcia
Moore/Arthur
miller/Hawes

It's a great blend of youth and Vets. And if we structure Artest extension corectly we could have a ton of Cap space when all the vets come off the books in 2010.

I actually think our defense is OKAY, IF WE WOULD REBOUND THE DAMN BALL. So IMO I'd opt for Love or Speights over Arthur for the simple fact that I beleive those guys will average 8+ rebounds over their NBA careers.

[deNIEd]

Plan 3

*Sac/Tor/NJ Trade is Smills' Idea*

Goal: To accumulate as much talent as possible, while setting us up for a trade for a final missing star piece (such as a Gasol/KG/R. Allen type deal)

PreDraft

Trade 1 w/Tor & NJ
Sac give: J. Salmons, S. Williams, #46
Sac gets: TJ Ford, J. Graham

Tor give: TJ Ford, J. Garbajosa, J. Graham, M. Baston, #17
Tor gets: R. Jefferson, M. Ager, #46

NJN give: R. Jefferson, M. Ager
NJN gets: J. Salmons, S. Williams, J. Garabjosa, M. Baston, #17

Trade 2 w/ Det & Utah
Sac give: B. Miller
Sac gets: J. Maxiell, J. Hart, J. Collins, R. Price, #23

Det give: A. McDyess, J. Maxiell, #29
Det gets: B. Miller

Uta give: J. Hart, J. Collins, R. Price, #23
Uta gets: A. McDyess

*Agreement that Sacramento Cuts Hart/Collins/Price*

Draft Day
#12 - D. Arthur
#23 - S. Ibaka
#42 - R. Hendrix

2008-2009 Roster
PG: T. Ford/B. Udrih
SG: K. Martin/F. Garcia/Q. Douby
SF: R. Artest/J. Graham
PF: D. Arthur/J. Maxiell/S. Ibaka/K. Thomas
C : S. Hawes/M. Moore/R. Hendrix/S. Rahim

However, it is the season of 2009/2010 that the real strength of this plan lies.
M. Moore/K. Thomas/S. Rahim = 21 million dollar expirings
Q. Douby/J. Maxiell/S. Ibaka/R. Hendrix = prospects
Looking around, for 2009/2010, the above package, will be better than any other teams in the league's package, making us the forefront of any possible trades of a unhappy star.
If nothing works out, we will still be 10-12 million dollars under the cap, allowing us to move 1 or 2 small pieces to obtain the money to sign a max level player.

[pillwenney]

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I actually think our defense is OKAY, IF WE WOULD REBOUND THE DAMN BALL. So IMO I'd opt for Love or Speights over Arthur for the simple fact that I beleive those guys will average 8+ rebounds over their NBA careers.

Unfortunately "okay" doesn't cut in this league. Now the same could be said for just "okay" rebounding, but I think Arthur's potential to improve his rebounding is much higher than Love's potential to improve his D. I haven't seen enough of Speights to really make a call with him though.

[_SRV_]

That's not really true, Arthur is too small to become a defensive anchor big man, which will always keep us in the "Okay" territory.

[pillwenney]

That's not really true, Arthur is too small to become a defensive anchor big man, which will always keep us in the "Okay" territory.

That's possible, but not entirely necessarily true. I've always been a believer that in a certain respect, your anchor doesn't necessarily have to be one guy. If Spencer can get like 1.4 BPG and Arthur over 2 BPG (and more importantly, if both can have the defensive impact that comes with those numbers), then I think our D will be sufficiently anchored. More importantly perhaps, is that Arthur looks like he could be a fine individual defender, which may allow Spencer to play off the ball more.

But you're right in that it might not get us past "okay", but I think it has a shot. I can say with relative confidence right now that Love/Hawes will never be more than "okay" defensively.

[Smills91]

I think the fallacy is thinking that BPG results in a good defense. Blocks don't = defensive stops. They can, but they don't always. I think we need to realize that good positional defense > BPG.

[_SRV_]

To say that we Arthur has a potential to both complement Hawes lack of great rebounding and our defensive front line with his slight 6'9" frame is a huge stretch, I think it won't happen, that you seem to disagree with, but I am sure that should we draft him, it isn't something to count on, and we should assume a less optimistic and more realistic outcome, which leaves the question of what would the team be better off with, Arthur, Love or Speights, I honestly don't know, and I don't think we have enough data to decide, it takes a great deal of scouting and having experience is evaluating talent translation between college and pros, because Love is a unique talent and needs better background to evaluate the impact he'll have.
Just to make it clear, I do like Arthur, he looks good offensively and can provide missing spark to this team (tall athletic finisher), and he can be our big man to defend P&R and in transition, areas of defense we suck at IMO.

[pillwenney]

I think the fallacy is thinking that BPG results in a good defense. Blocks don't = defensive stops. They can, but they don't always. I think we need to realize that good positional defense > BPG.

I know, and I pointed that out in the parenthetical part of my post.

But I would still say that shotblocking is more important than positional D--not necessarily shotblocking stats, but the ability to change shots, and perhaps most importantly, to intimidate opposing penetrators. If a guy is called for a charge, IMO at least, he's thinking "next time I go in there, I probably shouldn't be so reckless, when I'm going for my layup". If a guy gets his shot swatted, the next time he starts to penetrate, and sees the big guy that swatted his shot, he's thinking "well maybe I'll pull up for a short jumper this time". That is absolutely huge. A blocked shot usually doesn't have a huge direct impact on the game, but it's indirect impact can be really great.

I think that when it comes down to the playoffs, the biggest deciding factor is often about who is better at getting easy baskets. That's why having a post option offensively is crucial, and that's why being able to deter what would normally be easy shots is crucial.

[_SRV_]

I think we should look closely on the PG situation in Toronto, our PG solution can come from there.

[Smills91]

I think we should look closely on the PG situation in Toronto, our PG solution can come from there.

Salmons
Shelden
#46

for

Ford

Whether a direct trade or a three way involving the Nets, I've posted it on these boards and on the trade board and the reactions have been overwhelmingly favorable.

[longfellow44]

If anyone knows a guy who may know a guy in the Kings organization they should tell someone about smills trade Idea. It could really have a hugely positive impact on the team both in the present and the future. The team that we would have after that trade is for sure in the playoffs and may go far in the playoffs being as the team would be so complete.

[Smills91]

What do you guys think of this?

Kings deal:
Ron
Douby
#46 overall

Bucks deal:
Mo Williams
Charlie Villanueva

Kings new roster:

C: Brad Miller - Spencer Hawes
PF: Mikki Moore - Shelden Williams
SF: John Salmons - Charlie Villanueva
SG: Kevin Martin - Francisco Garcia
PG: Mo Williams - Beno Udrih

#12 overall + SAR/KT and our second rounder can round out the roster

[BMiller52]

What do you guys think of this?

Kings deal:
Ron
Douby
#46 overall

Bucks deal:
Mo Williams
Charlie Villanueva

Kings new roster:

C: Brad Miller - Spencer Hawes
PF: Mikki Moore - Shelden Williams
SF: John Salmons - Charlie Villanueva
SG: Kevin Martin - Francisco Garcia
PG: Mo Williams - Beno Udrih

#12 overall + SAR/KT and our second rounder can round out the roster

I hate it. Villanueva is so bad defensively... I don't want him anywhere near this team.

[pillwenney]

To say that we Arthur has a potential to both complement Hawes lack of great rebounding and our defensive front line with his slight 6'9" frame is a huge stretch, I think it won't happen, that you seem to disagree with, but I am sure that should we draft him, it isn't something to count on, and we should assume a less optimistic and more realistic outcome, which leaves the question of what would the team be better off with, Arthur, Love or Speights, I honestly don't know, and I don't think we have enough data to decide, it takes a great deal of scouting and having experience is evaluating talent translation between college and pros, because Love is a unique talent and needs better background to evaluate the impact he'll have.
Just to make it clear, I do like Arthur, he looks good offensively and can provide missing spark to this team (tall athletic finisher), and he can be our big man to defend P&R and in transition, areas of defense we suck at IMO.

I agree with pretty much all of this. I just think that Arthur has the most potential to help us out in those areas. No matter what, we're sacrificing one thing for another, but I just think that Arthur has the best potential to improve on that one thing.

But I also agree that none of us are really pros in evaluating talent, so all we can really do is speculate.

[Smills91]

See of the bigs I think Love is the surest thing, Speights has the most potential to fill our needs and Arthur is nice but a rotation guy at best.

[pillwenney]

See of the bigs I think Love is the surest thing, Speights has the most potential to fill our needs and Arthur is nice but a rotation guy at best.

Love is the surest thing in that we know what he can do, but I don't think we know if that will all translate to the next level because of his lack of athleticism.

I also disagree about the others--especially Arthur. I think his athleticism alone makes his ceiling higher than a rotation guy. That certainly doesn't mean that he would necessarily reach that ceiling, but , I think that's what it is.

[deNIEd]

See of the bigs I think Love is the surest thing, Speights has the most potential to fill our needs and Arthur is nice but a rotation guy at best.

Thats why

McGeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Smills91]

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Thats why

McGeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

McGee will bust.