Media vs the Nuggets

[Ballin02]

Having Nene and Atkins doesn't mean we don't blow a 23 pt lead to the Bucks, lose at home to the Kings or lose on the road to a Sonics that Denver beat by 53 points. Obviously teams are better when fully healthy, but no team goes a whole season without losing a player, it just doesn't happen. The Nuggets should've still won more games than that. Houston loss Yao and still are the 3rd seed in the West. You can say they played easy teams, but the easy teams that they beat to help them get where they're at is the easy teams that we loss to that put us in the 8th spot.

I think we all know that no team goes on without losing a player to injury here or there. Duh, thats a given. But what team has been more injury stricken then the Nuggets the past few seasons? Nene has basically been a non factor this season, he has probably only played 5 games or so. Chucky and Adkins were out for like two months at the start of the season in which Iverson had to switch back in forth between SG and PG (he does the same thing still now). Kenyon was out on and off for months. Carmelo missed five games. I mean are you really going to act as if a team has had more key players injured more then the Nuggets this season?

The Nuggets have 50 wins, but should have more, so you can throw the 50 win book out of the window because it quite honestly doesn't matter. There is still 7 teams above them no matter how you look at it. If the Nuggets played up to their capabilities, they could've won 55+ games. Yea, you can say its only 5 more, but 5 more games are the difference between the 8th seed and 3rd seed.

Yes the Nuggets should have more then 50 wins, never said they shouldn't have, everyone has talked about that 100 times already. And with this quote you made my point and that is I think they would have had those 5 wins if they could have at least had everyone healthy. Yes, they should have got them on their own, we get that, but it would have helped a ton having everyone there and not having the players have to continue to out of position.


If they "deserve all the heat they get" to you, thats fine for you. But to me some criticism is warrented and some is not, plain and simple. Which was the point of my post. Like I said its one thing to give criticism and another to be flat out disrespectful. And there is no need for you to be condecending, its a simple opinion and comment, if you don't like it thats your problem to deal with. Read the entire post and you would see that people (myself included) have already commented about how the Nuggets need to step it up to shut the media up, otherwise they will continue on, so what you are saying is not a revolution.

[Ballin02]

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The media doesn't pick on Iverson. You're making things up, now. The only person in the media that bashes him is Skip Bayless, who not many people listen to anyway(he picked Denver to beat the Lakers). Iverson has received nothing but good press since joining Denver. As I said before, you team to overrate the media criticism to prove a point and you're flatout wrong. Its like you see what you want to see instead of seeing whats actually there.

I'm making things up now? The media doesn't pick on Iverson? Iverson got in trouble early on in his career and at times was certainly no angel, thats for sure, so he deserved some of the negative press he recieved early on. But they have not allowed him to grow from that although he seems to have grown as a person. How many times are we going to see that "You talking about practice" video (and the spin the media put on it)? Iverson has not recieved "nothing but good press" since going to Denver, so i'm not sure what world you live in, give me a break. I can literally go to the Rocky mountain news website and give you so many condecending articles about Iverson there. Of course they do have some great articles in Denvers media as well...but he does still get his fair share of the negative press for some reason.

He and Melo should be recognised at times for some of the good things that have come out of this team or some of the good things they do in general...but they are not half the time (atleast by the large portions of the media and main media outlets). But as soon as Carmelo gets a DUI, he's at the top of Sportscenter. Or heres another example for you...I read a story at the start of the season where Iverson helped some girls out of a car that crashed and later sent some friends to check on them at the hospital, it was two months later when the media actually reported on that. Yet Iverson gets sued by someone and it is in the media the next day. Thats what I am talking about.

And I wasn't just talking about Iverson in Denver, I was talking about his entire career..dude has been placed in a box as a "thug" and thats it. Yet you have someone like Kobe, who has been accused of rape or J-Kidd who is known to hit his wife... and they treat them like hero's. I know Kobe went through tough times with that situation but for the most part people try to put that behind him. Meanwhile Iverson is just stuck. It might be because of the tatoos and cornrows and the supposed "image" they feel he potrays, I don't know. But i'm not sure how to break it down to you any more simple then that. You are tending for some reason to not see the entire point at all. And just because you don't agree doesn't mean "i'm making things up"...i'm watching these things play out just like everyone else. If you don't agree, oh well, I can't help you with that.

[Duiz]

Well, time to prove them wrong, win this series. I think you guys can push it to 7 games.

[Peanut]

Ballin, can you show me the latest article since A.I. joined Denver that he's been called a thug or anything? Or where someone trashed him for his past since he joined Denver? Do he get criticized for his play? Yes and he should, so does Lebron. He's not a perfect basketball player so reading an article that calls him a shoot first player or a guy that dominates a basketball, isn't bashing him or calling him a thug. I'm sure that when you see articles about him dominating the ball it'd also says he plays with the most heart in the league. So thats not calling him a thug or anything as you put it. Carmelo getting a DUI deserves to be on top of sportscenter. Is that the same as murder? No. But its an athlete breaking a law and any athlete that breaks a law will be the top headline of sportscenter. Nene was also the top of sportscenter when he had testicular cancer, Iverson, although late, did get on sportscenter when he rescued the girls from the accident, and Carmelo did get on sportscenter when he donated money to Syracuse.

I'm new here, maybe you're respected for your opinions, maybe you're not. But in my opinion, you seem to over-exaggerate things and try to make it as if you're right, instead of looking at things at a whole. You take a piece of an article or something that someone said and blow it out of proportion instead of taking it for exactly what was written or said.

I'd still like to find the articles that still calls Iverson a thug or something, not an article that says he had mishaps in his career, but has become a better person.

[Ballin02]

Ballin, can you show me the latest article since A.I. joined Denver that he's been called a thug or anything? Or where someone trashed him for his past since he joined Denver? Do he get criticized for his play? Yes and he should, so does Lebron. He's not a perfect basketball player so reading an article that calls him a shoot first player or a guy that dominates a basketball, isn't bashing him or calling him a thug. I'm sure that when you see articles about him dominating the ball it'd also says he plays with the most heart in the league. So thats not calling him a thug or anything as you put it. Carmelo getting a DUI deserves to be on top of sportscenter. Is that the same as murder? No. But its an athlete breaking a law and any athlete that breaks a law will be the top headline of sportscenter. Nene was also the top of sportscenter when he had testicular cancer, Iverson, although late, did get on sportscenter when he rescued the girls from the accident, and Carmelo did get on sportscenter when he donated money to Syracuse.

I'm new here, maybe you're respected for your opinions, maybe you're not. But in my opinion, you seem to over-exaggerate things and try to make it as if you're right, instead of looking at things at a whole. You take a piece of an article or something that someone said and blow it out of proportion instead of taking it for exactly what was written or said.

I'd still like to find the articles that still calls Iverson a thug or something, not an article that says he had mishaps in his career, but has become a better person.

First, stop putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say that Iverson has had articles in Denver about him being a thug...I said there have been condecending articles, there's a difference. I think it is commen knowlege that athletes will get critisized for their style of play...tell me something I don't know already. You continue to talk about commen sense things that everyone already knows. I've never seen that story about Iverson on Sportscenter...so I guess we'll have to take your word for it (and if it was i'm sure it was way passed the time it happend).

You are taking this issue above and beyond so let me shut it down right now... I beleive the media picks and choses who they want to be the heros and the villians and will present them as such. Thats me..if you beleive otherwise...good for YOU. I feel that whenever some athletes do good things, they are hardly spoken off, but as soon as something bad happens its first page news. What I feel like you are doing is not looking deeper into the issue, an issue that many agree on, and just giving your lop-sided opinion of what you beleive as fact simply because YOU beleive it. I never ask you to agree with me and could care less. Agree to disagree and move on already. I'm still not sure what world you live in where you don't think a player like Iverson doesn't get negative press, it truly baffles me, but whatever thats you. Dead issue and topic.

[Peanut]

The media doesn't pick on Iverson? Iverson got in trouble early on in his career and at times was certainly no angel, thats for sure, so he deserved some of the negative press he recieved early on. But they have not allowed him to grow from that although he seems to have grown as a person. How many times are we going to see that "You talking about practice" video (and the spin the media put on it)? Iverson has not recieved "nothing but good press" since going to Denver, so i'm not sure what world you live in, give me a break. I can literally go to the Rocky mountain news website and give you so many condecending articles about Iverson there. Of course they do have some great articles in Denvers media as well...but he does still get his fair share of the negative press for some reason.

He and Melo should be recognised at times for some of the good things that have come out of this team or some of the good things they do in general...but they are not half the time (atleast by the large portions of the media and main media outlets). But as soon as Carmelo gets a DUI, he's at the top of Sportscenter. Or heres another example for you...I read a story at the start of the season where Iverson helped some girls out of a car that crashed and later sent some friends to check on them at the hospital, it was two months later when the media actually reported on that. Yet Iverson gets sued by someone and it is in the media the next day. Thats what I am talking about.

And I wasn't just talking about Iverson in Denver, I was talking about his entire career..dude has been placed in a box as a "thug" and thats it. Yet you have someone like Kobe, who has been accused of rape or J-Kidd who is known to hit his wife... and they treat them like hero's. I know Kobe went through tough times with that situation but for the most part people try to put that behind him. Meanwhile Iverson is just stuck. It might be because of the tatoos and cornrows and the supposed "image" they feel he potrays, I don't know. But i'm not sure how to break it down to you any more simple then that. You are tending for some reason to not see the entire point at all. And just because you don't agree doesn't mean "i'm making things up"...i'm watching these things play out just like everyone else. If you don't agree, oh well, I can't help you with that.

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1.Whats the point of mentioning that if you're not basically saying that the media still calls him a thug or whatever for his early troubles? The practice thing will never be forgotten. Not because Iverson is a bad man, but because its funny and one of the greatest press conferences of all time, just like the coach on the Cardinals with the "crown their ass" press conference. Its not based on the media picking him, but more for the hilarity that follows it.

2. What articles anywhere thats been written this year calls him out still for anything but his play? Please link me to it. I understand what you're trying to say, but you're living in the past, this is the present. No one mentions his highschool thing where he went to jail. No one mentions that issue he had with his wife. No one mentions that. If he gets criticized its strictly based on his play. NOW, in the past, WHEN HE WAS IN PHILLY, that stuff always got mentioned. I know that. But since he came to Denver there hasn't been one article that bashed him on anything other than his play and everyone gets critized for how they play, so thats not picking on Iverson. if you show me one article from anywhere (not a joke site like Deapspin that is there to make fun of things) just a legit article of him getting picked on for anything other than his play, I'll back off my comments.

And that picking who they wnat to be the hero thing, you can say Carmelo is the media villian if you want, but it wasn't always that way. Carmelo was primed as the future of the NBA when he came out along with Lebron. It was him and Lebron who had a sit down with Bird and Magic that they aired on ESPN when they entered the league. It was him and Lebron on every magazine, every photo, every segment of ESPN. The negative press that Carmelo got, he got it on his own. Now, Carmelo's my favorite player so I wouldn't try to dog him, but lets look at things.

1. In his rookie year, he refused to go back in a game after his teammates told him he was shooting alot. (This wasn't blown up by the media)
2. He had the problem at the olympics with Larry Brown (most of the media took his side and forgiven him because they felt him, Lebron, and Amare should've been getting more minutes)
3. He had the issue with the drugs in his backpack (the media forgiven him once his friend took the blame)
4. He was in the stop snitching video (All he said was he tossed his medal, but the media never quite let loose on that and that's understandable. However, when he helped the mayor with what I believe was the start talking and the H.O.O.D. movement, the media praised him)
5. He had the fight with the Knicks (he deserved alot of heat for that)
6. He now has the DUI charge

Carmelo was loved by everyone and he bought alot of negativity to his life on his own. I didn't even mention the fight with the guy who spit in LALA'S face.

[Ballin02]

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^^ I honastly didn't read anything you typed because I don't have the patience nor the time to continue to go back and forth with you over this issue. Its just not that serious to me, sorry. Nor are you anyone for me to go out my way to prove anything to. I try to keep my sqabbles to a minimun on these forums. It would be different if we could just agree to disagree (as I stated before) but it seems like you just want to argue. I honastly feel like you are making this a bigger issue then what it is, when it is just an opinion. Are you a member of the media or something? Did I hurt your feelings? You have your opinion and I have mine. If you don't like mine, oh well kick rocks. Thats all I can really say at this point because I just don't have the energy. I said everything I needed to say about the issue in that previous quote. Hopefully you can sleep at night.

[pickaxe]

The media. The score. The refs.

Gotta wade through all this to get to the game.

[KobeFarmarEra]

The OP is ridiculous The Lakers were TOP 6 in defensive efficiency all year when either Bynum or Gasol were healthy. They then slipped a bit 7th in the league when Gasol sprained his ankle. Claiming the Lakers play bad defense adn the media 'lets them off hook' is completely laughable.

Enver's defense is flat out terrible and has been exposed the past two games. Time to accept reality.

[AILebronMelo]

The OP is ridiculous The Lakers were TOP 6 in defensive efficiency all year when either Bynum or Gasol were healthy. They then slipped a bit 7th in the league when Gasol sprained his ankle. Claiming the Lakers play bad defense adn the media 'lets them off hook' is completely laughable.

Enver's defense is flat out terrible and has been exposed the past two games. Time to accept reality.

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[manchambo]

The OP is ridiculous The Lakers were TOP 6 in defensive efficiency all year when either Bynum or Gasol were healthy. They then slipped a bit 7th in the league when Gasol sprained his ankle. Claiming the Lakers play bad defense adn the media 'lets them off hook' is completely laughable.

Enver's defense is flat out terrible and has been exposed the past two games. Time to accept reality.

That's true and it isn't. The score at the end of the first quarter yesterday was, what, 33-32? Reggie Miller went on an on about how the Nuggets needed to play better defense because 30 points isn't acceptable.

Why was it acceptable for the Lakers to give up 32?

[BballerShotCaller]

The Nuggets are just a weaker team that is unprepared mentally (mental toughness & Bball IQ). Denver has an inferior coach, who doesnt command the focus of his players.

Reggie Miller even noted that they came right out of a time out and continued taking the quick long range jumpshot after only 1 pass. Just what Karl said he didn't want.

Kenyon Martin was laughing and talking to Kobe right after Kobe dunked the alley-oop on them. Kobe responded verbally but just kept a straight serious face and didn't even look at Martin. Kobe kept his eyes on the ball and would not be distracted as the Lakers prepared to defend the Nuggets bringing the ball into the front-court.


Carmello always laughing and smiling at his mistakes and poor decisions because once he makes a bad foul, charge, or defensive lapse he tries to laugh it off. That's a very weak way to try and show that he's not embarrassed by his poor, and unfocused play.

[DFan]

I'm getting used to the fact that the media hates us. Just have to accept it.

[Gus McCrae]

Lakerfan here but Denver has always been my #2 favorite team. I've seen Iverson play live 4 times now (including last night's game) and he always torches our point guards.

That aside, two things to say.

1) George Karl should get coach of the year because outside the Knicks, I don't think there's a more difficult team to coach. K-mart, iverson, melo, jr, even camby. That's a gangster locker room.

2) I think what happens with Denver is a chain reaction, let me explain: at the game last night it was close til about 5 minutes left in the 4th. lakers were up by 5 or so. Technical on JR Smith, personal on Farmar. JR's pissed, we miss our FT, then on Denver's inbound (while JR is still complaining) Melo gets on Offensive foul call. while we're ready inbound, Iverson gets a technical. It was sad to watch because even though I was obviously rooting for LA, it was a weak way to close out the game. our lead went from 5-10 on all of our free throws and extra possessions and Denver knew it was over. JR, Melo and AI had lost their temper, Camby was trying to calm them. oh yeah, then K-Mart fouled out and got really upset a couple possessions later.

I saw Denver play LA earlier this season too where Melo elbowed Sasha out of frustration and got tossed. we ended up winning that game too, though I think we would've anyways.

point of the story, Nugs just have a LOT of different players who can explode at anytime. I think on other teams, they're all outstanding citizens (melo dominated TEAM USA and Iverson did also the time before) but put them all together, and then JR Smith trying to be tough also, it's just too much.

[KobeFarmarEra]

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That's true and it isn't. The score at the end of the first quarter yesterday was, what, 33-32? Reggie Miller went on an on about how the Nuggets needed to play better defense because 30 points isn't acceptable.

Why was it acceptable for the Lakers to give up 32?

First off, Reggie Miller != Media

Second, Kobe was scoring at will and the Lakers shot a much higher % from the field.

Third, using Reggie Miller is a horrible example. You do realize he went to UCLA and has been Laker fan his entire life?

And lastly, Enver's defense sucked throughout the game where the Lakers actually showed up defensively in the second half.

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[Reks]

The OP is ridiculous The Lakers were TOP 6 in defensive efficiency all year when either Bynum or Gasol were healthy. They then slipped a bit 7th in the league when Gasol sprained his ankle. Claiming the Lakers play bad defense adn the media 'lets them off hook' is completely laughable.

Enver's defense is flat out terrible and has been exposed the past two games. Time to accept reality.

why should I take someone who thinks farmar is good enough to be mentioned in an era in a positive way seriously.
Kobe I understand but farmar?

[KobeFarmarEra]

I'll break it down in simpler terms for you then.

C.A.I. = 10-38 today. Enver: 84 points.

Thats what you call DEFENSE.

[pballa]

I totally agree. The media flat out hate the Nuggets. I can understand a lot of the criticism but come on; they act as if we're the only team who doesn