Official NBA Draft Lottery Discussion Thread II

[DayofMourning]

Isn't it beyond cliche to compare drafting a big man before a guard to Bowie before Jordan? Remember that the same draft had another big man selected before Jordan-his name, Akeem Olajuwon. That didn't turn out so bad.

I don't think anybody expects Rose to be Jordan, or Beasley to be Bowie or Olajuwon. You're using hyperbole in both cases. Jordan is widely considered the best of all time, that's a lot to handle for a point guard who hasn't even played a game yet. Beasley another Sam Bowie? Not hardly. To ignore Beasley's obvious gifts is ridiculous. Not saying he's going to be Hakeem (the best center I've ever seen play) but he's going to be real good at PF.

[DanDanE420]

CoolD reaches once again with the Bowie/Jordan comparison.

The Blazers messed up because they drafted based on need instead of selecting the consensus best player available. Beasley has been the best player available all year. 90% of your arguments on why we should pick Rose are based on our need at PG versus our need at forward.

There is no single right way to build a team. The Mavs finally got to the Finals after losing a HoF point guard and building completely around a multi-dimensional, matchup-nightmare F (sound like anyone we know?) We need good players, not positions, and Beasley is the best player available.

[DayofMourning]

Currently the Heat have four positions of need. So other than SG, the Heat can basically draft anybody and they can't go wrong.

I'd have no problem if we got Rose, though I'd prefer Beasley. It would be kind of cool to see Rose go to a team that could really use him, like the Sonics. That'd be a decent fit for him. Then if any of the big men they've wasted their picks on played decent they'd have a good young core to work with.

[SmushedPennies]

CoolD reaches once again with the Bowie/Jordan comparison.

The Blazers messed up because they drafted based on need instead of selecting the consensus best player available. Beasley has been the best player available all year. 90% of your arguments on why we should pick Rose are based on our need at PG versus our need at forward.

There is no single right way to build a team. The Mavs finally got to the Finals after losing a HoF point guard and building completely around a multi-dimensional, matchup-nightmare F (sound like anyone we know?) We need good players, not positions, and Beasley is the best player available.

Not the best example considering they just traded their center and a very good young PG for a...HoF PG to try to get back to the Finals.

[rainking]

Not the best example considering they just traded their center and a very good young PG for a...HoF PG to try to get back to the Finals.

And that plan is turning out to be a huge mistake. Since trading for Kidd, Dallas has not been able to compete with the elite teams, and more than likely will suffer another first round exit.

This is the first time that I am chiming in on this thread. If we do end up getting the first pick, my choice would be Beasley. If either Wade or Rose had a more developed perimeter game, then I could see making a case for Rose. However, both players are primarily slashers, without consistent jump shots. Sure, both guys would be able to beat their man off the dribble at will, but what happens when the defense rotates and collapses? Who will either one of them kick it out to?

Basketball is not just about putting the best five talents on the floor, or assembling a terrific backcourt. On paper the Knicks have a lot of talent on their roster, but it obviously does not mesh well together. To be successful, you have to have balance on the floor. Every championship team in the last 30 years has had a balanced offense. Yes, the Bulls did not have a big time post prescence, but the triangle offense covered up the lack of a scoring big with perfect spacing, as well as the allowance for Jordan and Pippen to play out of the post. Wade has yet to develop much of a post up game. Marion and Haslem are certainly not post threats.

I just don't see how the best thing for this team moving forward is a Wade clone. Yes, both Rose and Wade are great penetrators but there has to be lanes to penetrate and without a post threat or consistent outside shooting, the lanes would simply not be there.

I firmly believe that Beasley would be the best choice for this team moving forward. That is assuming of course that we will end up having a choice of the two.

[CoolD]

I'm happy someone actually looks beyond the stats. It's a little easier in college to grab 11 boards when you're taller and faster than anyone else at SF then it is to grab double digit boards as a SG in the NBA. 5 boards a game at SG is pretty good actually.

Also, it's kind of comical to put a player down by comparing him to Carlos Boozer. Boozer is a darn good player and one of only four 20 and 10 guys this year.

LOL. Putting 4.4 rebounds as 5 rebounds.

D wade one year averaged 5.7, 1.3 more rebounds that a guy 6 11 and has 7 5 wingspan in Durant, both play the same position in the NBA just one is much taller, with way bigger arms .

Am not saying Beasley will be as bad, as Durant. But I could easily see him playing SF. Thus taking rebounds away from him. Even at PF, his inflated stats will drop.

His passing and his defense his floor spacing are bad. That has the makings of PF Ricky Davis version in the making with more hype and size around him, and probably more skill though.

[CoolD]

CoolD reaches once again with the Bowie/Jordan comparison.

The Blazers messed up because they drafted based on need instead of selecting the consensus best player available. Beasley has been the best player available all year. 90% of your arguments on why we should pick Rose are based on our need at PG versus our need at forward.

There is no single right way to build a team. The Mavs finally got to the Finals after losing a HoF point guard and building completely around a multi-dimensional, matchup-nightmare F (sound like anyone we know?) We need good players, not positions, and Beasley is the best player available.

He was the consensus player, not anymore. Many draft sites have Rose on top of Beasley and vice versa. Rose also has the most HOF potential in almost every assessment made.

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Am not saying Beasley will be as bad, as Durant

This is just not a very informed opinion. As "bad" as Durant? That is like saying that Rose will not be as bad as Deron Williams. At 19, Durant had a very good rookie year despite having no veteran help, and playing out of position all season so that he would not take the pounding at SF. Check out his split stats after the all-star break. Durant is going to be a perennial all-star for years to come.

If Beasley ends up being as "bad" as Durant, then give me Beasley any day of the week.

[DayofMourning]

Wade is a slasher who makes a lot of plays around the basket. Therefore he should get a decent amount of rebounds especially with his athleticism. Durant is almost exclusively a jump shooter right now, and he is nowhere near as built as Wade is. He can't bang down low without the bulk and if he's shooting jump shots all day then long rebounds are going to be his main response.

Beasley spends most of his time down low and has more opportunities for boards. He'll have the same game in the NBA.

Beasley also didn't have much of an opportunity to showcase any passing ability in college. He had no one to pass to. Pullen was the only guy capable of making a three for KState and he was inconsistent as hell. Can't say a guy who is doubled and tripled all the time being a bad passer when there are no passing lanes and no one to pass to.

[CoolD]

Am not saying Beasley will be as bad, as Durant

This is just not a very informed opinion. As "bad" as Durant? That is like saying that Rose will not be as bad as Deron Williams. At 19, Durant had a very good rookie year despite having no veteran help, and playing out of position all season so that he would not take the pounding at SF. Check out his split stats after the all-star break. Durant is going to be a perennial all-star for years to come.

If Beasley ends up being as "bad" as Durant, then give me Beasley any day of the week.

Am talking rebounding. Yes Durant is awful, I don't care if the guy is playing SG. Going from 11 rebounds to 4.4, even if he plays SG. Wade even eats him, an him just being 6 4 inches. and much shorter arms. That is pathetic swing to me. From college to the pros such a huge drop.

[DayofMourning]

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He was the consensus player, not anymore. Many draft sites have Rose on top of Beasley and vice versa. Rose also has the most HOF potential in almost every assessment made.

HOF potential is ridiculous to state for a player coming out of college. It's unheard of and doesn't have any credibility at all.

Rose is riding a high right now after a great tournament on an excellent team. I'm happy for him. He's a good player with loads of potential. But Beasley is an amazing scorer who has been focused on since day one and is still unstoppable. When a guy has a 20-10 game and commentators say he had a quiet game then you know his game is fierce.

With his scoring and rebounding ability I find it hard to believe that Beasley is going to be a bust.

Rose doesn't need to be argued for. His game speaks for itself. I think everybody on these boards understands how good he is. But when you have a great player of Beasley's ability at a position of need then you take it. It's not like we're taking Marvin Williams when we already have 3 SFs. We're taking a fantastic college player who dominated as a freshman at a position of need. That speaks for itself.

[CoolD]

Wade is a slasher who makes a lot of plays around the basket. Therefore he should get a decent amount of rebounds especially with his athleticism. Durant is almost exclusively a jump shooter right now, and he is nowhere near as built as Wade is. He can't bang down low without the bulk and if he's shooting jump shots all day then long rebounds are going to be his main response.

Beasley spends most of his time down low and has more opportunities for boards. He'll have the same game in the NBA.

Beasley also didn't have much of an opportunity to showcase any passing ability in college. He had no one to pass to. Pullen was the only guy capable of making a three for KState and he was inconsistent as hell. Can't say a guy who is doubled and tripled all the time being a bad passer when there are no passing lanes and no one to pass to.

But couldn't this happen to Beasley, yes he is stronger than Durant, but shorter, and much shorter arms. Beasley also likes to shoot from the outside and could easily fall in this trap. .

Why did you think Durant had 11 rebounds, but know only 4.4, because the NBA is a different game.

[DayofMourning]

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Am talking rebounding. Yes Durant is awful, I don't care if the guy is playing SG. Going from 11 rebounds to 4.4, even if he plays SG. Wade even eats him, an him just being 6 4 inches. and much shorter arms. That is pathetic swing to me. From college to the pros such a huge drop.

Durant was able to take advantage of his size at the college level. He can't do that in the NBA because he is unbelievably weak. Length and athleticism will get you far in college because you are playing against guys who'll never make it to the NBA. When you have to bang against conditioned physiques and you're 6'10"-6'11" and 215 pounds then you are sure to have a drop in rebounds, especially when you switch to a backcourt position that doesn't garner rebounds.

[CoolD]

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HOF potential is ridiculous to state for a player coming out of college. It's unheard of and doesn't have any credibility at all.

Rose is riding a high right now after a great tournament on an excellent team. I'm happy for him. He's a good player with loads of potential. But Beasley is an amazing scorer who has been focused on since day one and is still unstoppable. When a guy has a 20-10 game and commentators say he had a quiet game then you know his game is fierce.

With his scoring and rebounding ability I find it hard to believe that Beasley is going to be a bust.

Rose doesn't need to be argued for. His game speaks for itself. I think everybody on these boards understands how good he is. But when you have a great player of Beasley's ability at a position of need then you take it. It's not like we're taking Marvin Williams when we already have 3 SFs. We're taking a fantastic college player who dominated as a freshman at a position of need. That speaks for itself.

Please, that is one of the least positions in need right know. Shawn Marion could do almost the same, he plays SF, PF. He has gone to All Star. Beasley doesn't play Center, doesn't play pointguard. Is not even a three point specialist, not even Defensive dynamic player. Beasley is one of the least positions or specialist that we right know need.

If there was a Center, yes, I would go for him. But besides Center, we need a point. That is a real position of need.

[DayofMourning]

Marion is not a PF. He is a SF. He is not a back you down in the paint kind of player. Beasley is. Beasley has a wide array of moves designed specifically for the post. Marion is a run and jump athlete who gets most of his points off putbacks and mid range shots.

[DayofMourning]

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But couldn't this happen to Beasley, yes he is stronger than Durant, but shorter, and much shorter arms. Beasley also likes to shoot from the outside and could easily fall in this trap. .

Why did you think Durant had 11 rebounds, but know only 4.4, because the NBA is a different game.

Beasley can shoot from the outside. His preferred game is on the inside. He is not a perimeter player. Beasley has long arms and humongous hands. Perfect for a post player.

[DayofMourning]

A huge need for us right now is interior scoring and rebounding. A HUGE need. Beasley would provide that.

[Lane1974]

are we going to have this tit for tat every day/every counter post until the draft is over?

[CoolD]

Marion is not a PF. He is a SF. He is not a back you down in the paint kind of player. Beasley is. Beasley has a wide array of moves designed specifically for the post. Marion is a run and jump athlete who gets most of his points off putbacks and mid range shots.

You think Beasley will get to that sweet spot downlow as easy as he did in College. Yes they have different overall games, but the totality of what they will be able to accomplish is similar.

Kind of like a Jordan vs LeBron, different games, but huge similar impact in my opinion. Marion at PF could average close to 20 points, 10 rebounds, even much better defender. He has had over 21 points two different years, he has had over 19 points three different other years.

Both really do the same things, but different ways. I don't see the greatness of Beasley to pass out of doubles, block shots, do stuff, that is going to set him apart with the big boys.

[SmushedPennies]

Yeah can we at least wait until the Draft Lottery decides if this is moot or not?