"The" Call: refs cheat the Rox?

[Magz50]

At the end of the day it was a legit call. He was fouled even if he did flop a bit. It was still a foul. So really there's no argument.

[Iggyemu]

the whistle blew way before the shot even went up so the fact that it went it shouldn't even be considered.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Watch the highlight again. Ok let me just tell you. The pass was made. Deron ran to challenge the shot..the shot went in. Deron and BJax probably didn't hear the whistle. The shot was going in if the call wasn't made. Had Deron not run to challenge the shot you would have a point but he did and you don't.

As far as the foul. It was a legit call and AK flopped but look flopping is part of the NBA. As the 1st and 10 guys point out though...the ref wasn't even looking at the foul. He made a call in reaction to AK's....he just got lucky with it in that it was technically a foul although probably worthy of a no call in that situation.

Nonetheless. Scola shouldn't have done that. McGrady probably wasn't going to take that shot...had AK gotten to him he probably would have put in on the floor and drove before he made the pass. Again...rookie mistake and it cost us.

[tracey_nice]

He barely touched him, I don't know how you could call that a foul at the point in the game and how it had little affect on the play.

[jazz1232dc]

I don't understand why Rockets fans think this call cost them the game. Maybe you should put the blame on your own team instead of the officials or AK's "flop". Maybe the reason why you lost the game is because you missed too many free throws, or that you couldn't hit a damn layup, or maybe it's because TMac was once again a no show in the 4th quarter. Maybe you should put the blame on "The 36 Minute Man" instead of the refs.

[tracey_nice]

I don't understand why Rockets fans think this call cost them the game. Maybe you should put the blame on your own team instead of the officials or AK's "flop". Maybe the reason why you lost the game is because you missed too many free throws, or that you couldn't hit a damn layup, or maybe it's because TMac was once again a no show in the 4th quarter. Maybe you should put the blame on "The 36 Minute Man" instead of the refs.

If the situation was reversed, I highly doubt you would blame someother aspect of the game for the loss. But, it's true there are 48 min in a game and there are a lot more than one reason why a team loses. But, the Rockets were short-handed and coming into the game; keeping the game close and trying to win the game in the end would be sufficient enough for Houston, which would allow the refs to LOSE the game for them; you are jazz fan and you need to stfu or show some understanding.

[Lazy Faizy]

I don't understand why Rockets fans think this call cost them the game. Maybe you should put the blame on your own team instead of the officials or AK's "flop". Maybe the reason why you lost the game is because you missed too many free throws, or that you couldn't hit a damn layup, or maybe it's because TMac was once again a no show in the 4th quarter. Maybe you should put the blame on "The 36 Minute Man" instead of the refs.

Ha, okay? Have you ever played a sport in your entire life? Something called "fatigue" tends to set in after a while, esp. when you're forced to do everything for your team without any help. Check this out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/ ... nohelp.jpg

^pretty pathetic isn't it?

BUT, I do agree with you on some points. We couldn't hit our free throws, we couldn't make our lay-ups, we beat ourselves. And yes, even aside from the flop, it was a foul. Oh well, get over it and move on.

[cjs55]

AK got absolutely hammered trying to get the rebound and there was a no call. This just equaled that out. It was clear the ref had incorrectly swallowed his whistle seconds earlier and was conscious of that fact, and once there was more contact against AK he simply had to call it, even if this time it was much more of a ticky-tack foul.

[Duffman100]

As a completely neutral fan (I really don't care who wins this series)...I saw the play out of the corner of my eye and said 'wow, isn't that a foul'.

He dished the ball out to mcgrady, wanted him to have a wide open 3, extended his arm so that AK couldn't get out. Did AK dive...yes, but it was a foul, no doubt.

get over it.

[tracey_nice]

AK got absolutely hammered trying to get the rebound and there was a no call. This just equaled that out. It was clear the ref had incorrectly swallowed his whistle seconds earlier and was conscious of that fact, and once there was more contact against AK he simply had to call it, even if this time it was much more of a ticky-tack foul.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[edfmx86]

it was a foul, scola reached out and and held him and yes AK did overeact (he wasnt the first one to ever do it) but that late in the game with such a close game, the ref maybe should have called it unless it was worse than in was.

[cjs55]

The second call wasn't a wrong. AK gets fouled hard and no-call: Wrong. AK gets fouled (much more lightly this time, but still fouled), and this time they finally call something: Right given the context. It was still a foul anyways, just less of a foul. It's not like it was a total phantom call.

[Shocker00]

Geez!!! Except the loss already. You can't pinpoint one foul and say that cost you the game. If you watch the game over you will see a lot of missed calls, Calls that probably should have been let go that wasn't. I seen a couple time where Jazz players got hammered but nothing was called and I seen fouls against the Jazz that was ticky tacky. To pinpoint that one foul is ludicris. I personally think that Scola impeded Kirilenko's ability to get outside to play defense against the 3 point shot rather it was a flop job or not. I personally think Houston got away with more calls all game. If the Rockets would have made thier free throws they would have won the game. Good teams will fight thru the bad calls to win big games. I guess it's just easier to blame someone else rather than own up to the truth. You can't dissect one foul without dissecting them all. Im sure Houston don't want to go there in this game. Here is the reason Houston lost the game:

1) Missing Yao and Rafer to injuries.
2) Mcgrady doing a disappearing act in the 4th quarter
3) Missed free throws.
4) Missed layups.

It's not because of that one call.

[tracey_nice]

Geez!!! Except the loss already. You can't pinpoint one foul and say that cost you the game. If you watch the game over you will see a lot of missed calls, Calls that probably should have been let go that wasn't. I seen a couple time where Jazz players got hammered but nothing was called and I seen fouls against the Jazz that was ticky tacky. To pinpoint that one foul is ludicris. I personally think that Scola impeded Kirilenko's ability to get outside to play defense against the 3 point shot rather it was a flop job or not. I personally think Houston got away with more calls all game. If the Rockets would have made thier free throws they would have won the game. Good teams will fight thru the bad calls to win big games. I guess it's just easier to blame someone else rather than own up to the truth. You can't dissect one foul without dissecting them all. Im sure Houston don't want to go there in this game. Here is the reason Houston lost the game:

1) Missing Yao and Rafer to injuries.
2) Mcgrady doing a disappearing act in the 4th quarter
3) Missed free throws.
4) Missed layups.

It's not because of that one call.

I am not a Houston fan, I really could care less who wins this series. But, I understand how I would feel if this happend against the Lakers, this isn't just a "loss" it's a lot bigger than that; this series is essentially over, Houston lost back to back games on there home-court and now have to go and win in UTAH.

[Nate505]

Kirilenko in the last minute of the game got absolutely hammered and there was a no call.

If the Jazz would have lost the game, how many Rocket fans would be calling Jazz fans whiners if they would have brought up that call?

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Has anyone else pointed out that even had that shot gone in the Rockets were still outscored from that point on til the end of the game??

[Rive]

Has anyone else pointed out that even had that shot gone in the Rockets were still outscored from that point on til the end of the game??

I think Rocket fans are more interested in making excuses and blaming referees than this...

but that is a very good point.

[tracey_nice]

Has anyone else pointed out that even had that shot gone in the Rockets were still outscored from that point on til the end of the game??

It kind of changes the dynamics of the game. If that shot went in, I think the Jazz would have gone for a 2 for 1 instead of running the clock down.

[Shocker00]

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I am not a Houston fan, I really could care less who wins this series. But, I understand how I would feel if this happend against the Lakers, this isn't just a "loss" it's a lot bigger than that; this series is essentially over, Houston lost back to back games on there home-court and now have to go and win in UTAH.

I understand that it was a big loss. But you still can't blame one foul for the loss. How about all the other bad calls in the game, should we talk about them as well. There was 3 or 4 bad or no calls in the last 6 or 7 minutes of the game. One thing that will always be consistant is inconsistant officiating. You have to play thru it and make your free throws and layups if you want to win. If Houston would have won then Utah could have just as easy complained about the officiating.

[tracey_nice]

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I understand that it was a big loss. But you still can't blame one foul for the loss. How about all the other bad calls in the game, should we talk about them as well. There was 3 or 4 bad or no calls in the last 6 or 7 minutes of the game. One thing that will always be consistant is inconsistant officiating. You have to play thru it and make your free throws and layups if you want to win. If Houston would have won then Utah could have just as easy complained about the officiating.

I agree somewhat, you can't give the sole blame of a loss for a foul, but you can blame a loss on a foul. As much as whether it's the first couple minutes of the 1st or last couple minutes of the 4th shouldn't be officiated differently; it is. The norm for the last couple minutes of the game is to let the players settle it, just the way things work. I am not insuiating that the officials should call nothing, the obvious should still be called; but , it was pretty obvious that Kirlenko flopped, which should have been a no call.
And none of this implies that Houston would of won the game if the call wasn't made.

[tosi]

**** happens.. Take it like a man.. and step up the next game.