"The" Call: refs cheat the Rox?

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Post#101 » by Shocker00 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:23 pm

tracey_nice wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I agree somewhat, you can't give the sole blame of a loss for a foul, but you can blame a loss on a foul. As much as whether it's the first couple minutes of the 1st or last couple minutes of the 4th shouldn't be officiated differently; it is. The norm for the last couple minutes of the game is to let the players settle it, just the way things work. I am not insuiating that the officials should call nothing, the obvious should still be called; but , it was pretty obvious that Kirlenko flopped, which should have been a no call.
And none of this implies that Houston would of won the game if the call wasn't made.


I agree Kirlenko did flop, But there was also foul on the play. When ever a offensive player hooks a defensive player with there arm and hand it kind of forces the ref to make that call. There is certain fouls they need to call no matter how much contact is made. If an offensive player is allowed to hook a player with his arm then there is always going to be easy shots for the offense. Scola impeded Kirilenkos ability to get out and guard the 3 point shot. Now if he would have set a screen and Kirlenko ran into that I could see a no call.
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Post#102 » by Hard2dhole » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:52 pm

1. Scola fouls AK to keep him from getting to Tmac.
2. AK sells the fou to get the whistle.
3. the foul is called correctly.
4. Tmac seeing AK is has been cut off has a cleard pass to Jackson for 3.
5. Bucket is called off as step 1 allowed the existance of step 4 and step 3 happened before step 4.

Rockets fans need to suck it up and quit blaming thier team lossing on a foul that was a correct call just because it came at an inconienent time for them. If you want to complain pick a bad call/ no call where it hurt as that would have more validity to it.
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Post#103 » by JoshB914 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:12 pm

This is a situation where the guy did flop but it was still a foul. Although AK made a meal of it, Scola had no business pushing him in the first place, and he cost his team dearly. The guy obviously is a very nice role player, but he has been out of control in crucial points in Games 1 and 2.
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Post#104 » by El Turco » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:03 pm

at the end it was a foul as he violated a rule. whether he flopped to sell it is a moot point.

lol@rox fans making excuses.
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Post#105 » by Blame Rasho » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:06 pm

The AK flop was just as bad the the Horry flop last year vs the Utah... and you couldn't believe the amount of flak that was said.
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Post#106 » by Duiz » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:26 pm

16-26 Rockets Free Throw line shooting. I don't see how can the Rockets even dare to complain about this. It was more fouls called on Utah during that game, and also if we counted the time Brooks did the offensive foul on Williams, we wouldn't even be considering this.

Get over it, the game was genuinely lost.
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Post#107 » by Lyonnais » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:35 pm

It was a foul....and a flop. Very bad unnecessary foul by Scola, very "good" acting by Kirilenko. I guess playing with Okur for all this time gave him some ideas. That's not why the Rockets lost the game anyway, so I don't see any reason to keep talking about that call for days.
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Post#108 » by Hard2dhole » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:10 pm

But I expect this won't go away until game 3. Jazz fans and Rox fans love to hate each other.
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Post#109 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:11 pm

As a Rockets fan, I have to say that it was largely immaterial.

I would also add that it's serious folly to compare it with the out-of-bounds assist vs. Dallas, which WAS a play that cost the Rockets the game, and hence the series, and was a blindingly obvious blown call by the refs in a series where the Rockets were, seriously, screwed by the officials repeatedly.
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Post#110 » by Tequila1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:15 pm

Lakers 3-1 vs. Jazz in the regular season.

Lakers 1-2 vs. Rockets in regular season.

It isn't about THIS round, it's about making sure the Lakers have the easiest matchup in the next round. The NBA NEEDS a Lakers-Celtics matchup in the Finals.

It's no biggie though.

The Jazz have never won anything and NEVER WILL win anything.

If all their fans have to be proud of is beating the Rockets in a couple playoff series, well, I guess we should just let them enjoy it.

Here's a list of NBA champions.

http://aol.nba.com/history/awards_finalschampsmvp.html

Golden State has won one, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia...etc...

No Utah Jazz.

It could always be worse, I suppose...

...you could be a Jazz fan.
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Post#111 » by Rive » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:31 pm

Tequila1 wrote:Lakers 3-1 vs. Jazz in the regular season.

Lakers 1-2 vs. Rockets in regular season.

It isn't about THIS round, it's about making sure the Lakers have the easiest matchup in the next round. The NBA NEEDS a Lakers-Celtics matchup in the Finals.

It's no biggie though.

The Jazz have never won anything and NEVER WILL win anything.

If all their fans have to be proud of is beating the Rockets in a couple playoff series, well, I guess we should just let them enjoy it.

Here's a list of NBA champions.

http://aol.nba.com/history/awards_finalschampsmvp.html

Golden State has won one, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia...etc...

No Utah Jazz.

It could always be worse, I suppose...

...you could be a Jazz fan.


It's posts like these that make realgm almost unreadable at times.

Hey, Tequila... what exactly is your reasoning to back up your statement that "The Jazz have never won anything and NEVER WILL"? Seriously, I am curious as to why you think this.

And I really don't understand the timing of all these "The Jazz are a **** franchise and never will win anything" type of posts from all the rockets fans. Seriously, this is type of **** you post when you are UP 2-0... not DOWN 2-0. When you do that it just makes you like like an ignorant fool.
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Post#112 » by Kid Vicious » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:22 pm

Honestly, the Rockets were done in this series after they lost Game 1. They weren't going to win a game in Utah.

So if anything, the refs did them a favour by making their inevitable exit happen more quickly.
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Post#113 » by Neb » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:48 pm

10 pages for clear as hell foul? Ah, wonders of General NBA board.
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Post#114 » by idajazz » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:57 pm

Tequila1 wrote:Lakers 3-1 vs. Jazz in the regular season.

Lakers 1-2 vs. Rockets in regular season.

It isn't about THIS round, it's about making sure the Lakers have the easiest matchup in the next round. The NBA NEEDS a Lakers-Celtics matchup in the Finals.

It's no biggie though.

The Jazz have never won anything and NEVER WILL win anything.

If all their fans have to be proud of is beating the Rockets in a couple playoff series, well, I guess we should just let them enjoy it.

Here's a list of NBA champions.

http://aol.nba.com/history/awards_finalschampsmvp.html

Golden State has won one, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia...etc...

No Utah Jazz.

It could always be worse, I suppose...

...you could be a Jazz fan.


Now thats what I call a sore looser :noway:
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Post#115 » by Duiz » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:58 pm

Neb wrote:10 pages for clear as hell foul? Ah, wonders of General NBA board.


When the Lakers trolls attack will continue after these messages.. :noway:
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Post#116 » by King Roosk » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:24 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Scola wasn't stupid though... He was doing that all night and not being called for it. IF they aren't going to call it, you are smart for doing it.

I think everyone is just amazed that they finally called it.


That statement is just about accurate. I wasn't amazed that they finally called it. I was amazed that after the extremely rough play by both teams (although I'll admit - Houston got some "home cooking") throughout both games, that they decide to call that on Scola with the game on the line. The refs were being consistent throughout the game in terms of letting fouls go, but the one they decide to call is one that could've gone either way and with the game on the line. Simply stunning.
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Post#117 » by King Roosk » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:25 pm

I'd also like to point out that the OP of this thread isn't a Rockets fan, so cut us some freaking slack. We lose Yao with 26 games to go, we lose Rafer a week before the playoffs, we're completely outmatched against Utah and we find a way to compete only for game 2 to end the way it did...that's tough. Any fan base going through this would be b*tching just as much as we are.
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Post#118 » by CAE15 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:51 pm

Theres no replay in the NBA unless a shot is made with 0.00 left on the clock. Refs have a split second to decide the call. AK came up big in game 1 and game 2. And think last year he had a meltdown. Hell you rocket fans should be more pissed that your team failed to get the rebound after a terrible Korver shot but AK out hustled everyone got it and flipped it back to korver who made the lucky/clutch shot. Make free throws, and layups.
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Post#119 » by hoops4life » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:53 pm

My thing is that a foul is a foul whether it be in the first quarter or at the end of the game.
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Post#120 » by pace31 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:57 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:The AK flop was just as bad the the Horry flop last year vs the Utah... and you couldn't believe the amount of flak that was said.


AK's flop and Horry's flop aren't even in the same league. AK flopped to get an actual foul called, Horry's flop was to get a foul called that never existed.

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