Thorn is OK With Bringing Core Back

halfHAVOC · Post #21 » by **halfHAVOC** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:31 pm

i dont understand why we like basically never had a good offensive post player.

dacher · Post #22 » by **dacher** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:56 am

FGump wrote:This summer's gotta be about getting a credible big man. Sucking at C-PF for yet another season is just creating another ride down Mediocrity Lane.

Yeah. We absolutely need a big who's top 10 at their position. Before Nenad's injury, many of us thought he might be the one.

Boone I think is best suited as a great 6th man. He just doesn't feel like an intimidating top-10 type big. He could prove me wrong.

Sean is still all potential, with his up and down season. Long road before he can be called a top-10 PF.

mack69 · Post #23 » by **mack69** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:03 pm

dacher wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah. We absolutely need a big who's top 10 at their position. Before Nenad's injury, many of us thought he might be the one.

Boone I think is best suited as a great 6th man. He just doesn't feel like an intimidating top-10 type big. He could prove me wrong.

Sean is still all potential, with his up and down season. Long road before he can be called a top-10 PF.

What is the Nets RealGM Board top ten PF/C?

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Howard
4. Amare'
5. Boozer
6. Shaq
7. Dirk
8. Yao
9. Gasol
10. West

this is a list that is debatable and does not suggest who is the best.

which one of these players listed or not listed make sense for us?

jeff1624 · Post #24 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:13 pm

mack69 wrote:
dacher wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah. We absolutely need a big who's top 10 at their position. Before Nenad's injury, many of us thought he might be the one.

Boone I think is best suited as a great 6th man. He just doesn't feel like an intimidating top-10 type big. He could prove me wrong.

Sean is still all potential, with his up and down season. Long road before he can be called a top-10 PF.

What is the Nets RealGM Board top ten PF/C?

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Howard
4. Amare'
5. Boozer
6. Shaq
7. Dirk
8. Yao
9. Gasol
10. West

this is a list that is debatable and does not suggest who is the best.

which one of these players listed or not listed make sense for us?

Yao is Top 5. Shaq doesn't belong on that list anymore. Bosh should be on there aswell.

MrDollarBills · Post #25 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:52 pm

West over Bosh??!?

dacher · Post #26 » by **dacher** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:54 pm

Make it a top 20 PF/C. 10 Centers 10 PF --- Considering this is the NBA, feel free to swap Centers and PF. Top 10 is out of reach (overly greedy) ... unless you are the Celtics and Lakers. :-|

Yao KG Amare Bosh Gasol Boozer Dirk West TD Howard ... that's 10

Kaman Brand Camby Jefferson Smith ... 5 more

Jefferson Randolph Sheed Dalembert Shaq

MrDollarBills · Post #27 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:05 pm

Too bad randolph is a cancer and a tub of lard, we could use his offensive ability and rebounding at the 4

mack69 · Post #28 » by **mack69** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:49 pm

dacher wrote:Make it a top 20 PF/C. 10 Centers 10 PF --- Considering this is the NBA, feel free to swap Centers and PF. Top 10 is out of reach (overly greedy) ... unless you are the Celtics and Lakers. :-|

Yao KG Amare Bosh Gasol Boozer Dirk West TD Howard ... that's 10

Kaman Brand Camby Jefferson Smith ... 5 more

Jefferson Randolph Sheed Dalembert Shaq

Damn! I forgot about Bosh you are right it should be extended to a list of 20.

SpeedyG · Post #29 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:33 pm

This is just Rod being Rod.

He won't make a deal if he doesn't see something he likes. That's all. Just like the Kidd deal where he insisted he wasn't looking to deal Kidd for the sake of dealing him. No to LA's Bynum-less offer. Yes to Dallas' Harris + picks offer.

So if we don't get someone we like for RJ/Marcus, we're staying put. It's that simple.

Thorn doesn't give away talent for free (unless mandated by ownership, which so far there are no signs of recently).

BasketBrain · Post #30 » by **BasketBrain** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:37 pm

SpeedyG wrote:This is just Rod being Rod.

He won't make a deal if he doesn't see something he likes. That's all. Just like the Kidd deal where he insisted he wasn't looking to deal Kidd for the sake of dealing him. No to LA's Bynum-less offer. Yes to Dallas' Harris + picks offer.

So if we don't get someone we like for RJ/Marcus, we're staying put. It's that simple.

Thorn doesn't give away talent for free (unless mandated by ownership, which so far there are no signs of recently).

QFT...You've pretty much summed it up...

SpeedyG · Post #31 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:41 pm

halfHAVOC wrote:i dont understand why we like basically never had a good offensive post player.

There's probably like 10-15 players in the NBA left who can be considered good offensive postplayers. They are rare, that's why most teams don't have it, and those who do don't let them go.

To make things more difficult, because of the lack of these big men, teams are going away from them and drifting towards perimeter oriented PF/C, which makes big/slow guys who may have some post moves a liability if they aren't athletic enough.

S.I.C. GM · Post #32 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:34 pm

SpeedyG wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There's probably like 10-15 players in the NBA left who can be considered good offensive postplayers. They are rare, that's why most teams don't have it, and those who do don't let them go.

To make things more difficult, because of the lack of these big men, teams are going away from them and drifting towards perimeter oriented PF/C, which makes big/slow guys who may have some post moves a liability if they aren't athletic enough.

Great Point!!!!

G_MoNeY · Post #33 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:59 pm

SpeedyG wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There's probably like 10-15 players in the NBA left who can be considered good offensive postplayers. They are rare, that's why most teams don't have it, and those who do don't let them go.

To make things more difficult, because of the lack of these big men, teams are going away from them and drifting towards perimeter oriented PF/C, which makes big/slow guys who may have some post moves a liability if they aren't athletic enough.

how many of those teams have won championships? Regardless of how well you shoot from the perimeter, you NEED a big who can be a threat on the block. I'm sure you'll agree...it's just funny to see all these teams going away from this -- and very few, if any have ever won a ring going that route.

vincecarter4pres · Post #34 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:18 pm

G_MoNeY wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

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how many of those teams have won championships? Regardless of how well you shoot from the perimeter, you NEED a big who can be a threat on the block. I'm sure you'll agree...it's just funny to see all these teams going away from this -- and very few, if any have ever won a ring going that route.

But wait the last 10 years perimeter teams with no post presence have won the whole thing.
You know, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Lakers and the Heat.

S.I.C. GM · Post #35 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:03 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

But wait the last 10 years perimeter teams with no post presence have won the whole thing.
You know, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Lakers and the Heat.

Even though you make a Great Point, you neglect some other important factors. Two of those teams had Shaq. Then you have Duncan on the Spurs. I dont know where you think we are going to get those type of Low Post players. Those two alone are once in a life time type players. I wont even include Kobe and Wade. That is straight up praying to ROD and the HOLY STERN. The other thing is those teams were well balanced. They had guys that could shoot and of course defend. Then you have the Pistons. The Pistons won not because of Rashweed playing in the post. Please he was almost always on the perimeter. They played GREAT D. One last thing you neglected to point out was that all those teams also had GREAT, HOF coaches.

Spurs have a well balanced team with a HOF and HOF coach. Dont forget play tough defense.
Lakers had a well balanced team with two HOFs and a HOF coach.
Heat HOF with an emerging Super Star and HOF coach.
Pistons well balanced team with a shooting PF, played incredible Defense, and HOF coach.

Yeah they had some sort of low post presence but it wasnt the only factor.

vincecarter4pres · Post #36 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:29 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

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vincecarter4pres wrote:
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But wait the last 10 years perimeter teams with no post presence have won the whole thing.
You know, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Lakers and the Heat.

Even though you make a Great Point, you neglect some other important factors. Two of those teams had Shaq. Then you have Duncan on the Spurs. I dont know where you think we are going to get those type of Low Post players. Those two alone are once in a life time type players. I wont even include Kobe and Wade. That is straight up praying to ROD and the HOLY STERN. The other thing is those teams were well balanced. They had guys that could shoot and of course defend. Then you have the Pistons. The Pistons won not because of Rashweed playing in the post. Please he was almost always on the perimeter. They played GREAT D. One last thing you neglected to point out was that all those teams also had GREAT, HOF coaches.

Spurs have a well balanced team with a HOF and HOF coach. Dont forget play tough defense.
Lakers had a well balanced team with two HOFs and a HOF coach.
Heat HOF with an emerging Super Star and HOF coach.
Pistons well balanced team with a shooting PF, played incredible Defense, and HOF coach.

Yeah they had some sort of low post presence but it wasnt the only factor.

I am not even going to address your entire post because all of it are very valid points.

But the 3 things I am going to say are:

A)I don't know where to get a player like Shaq or Duncan because there really is none.
You really can't and we missed the boat on Gasol.
By the way this only strenghtens the arguement.

B)Actually Sheed is a big time post presence during the playoffs. He is one of those players that almost abger you because he cruises so hard through the regular season, but come playoff time he is banging on the low post. Yes he takes his share of 3's, but he mostlt takes what the defense gives him. He has an almost unstoppable turnaround form the low blocks as well.
And to say about the great D, and they didn't win because of him is crazy.
This team had been playing great D for years, and it was the same team we swept in the Conference Finals the year before.

C)I don't think any team in the last 30 or 40 years if not in NBA history has won the Championship without a major post presence with the exception of Michael's Bulls.

You can say HOF coach, well balanced, etc. but most of these coaches are HOF after the fact because of the Championships they have won and the players/big men they have coached.
Almost everyteam in the playoffs period is well balanced every year, so the one thing that is a constant and not a variable is that you must always have a dominant big man/post presence to win the whole thing bottomline, with the exception onece again of Michael's Bulls.
Period.