(1) Lakers v. (8) Nuggets

[bruno sundov]

^^^^ In the east they would only be behind DET and BOS. That is it. The Nuggets are nasty. This isn't the team that won 15 games or whatever it was. For the last 3 years the nuggets have been tearing it up.

[TonyMontana]

^^^^ In the east they would only be behind DET and BOS. That is it. The Nuggets are nasty. This isn't the team that won 15 games or whatever it was. For the last 3 years the nuggets have been tearing it up.

Bruno .
I seriously find you and your posts funny AS YOU KNOW since we had a few arguments on the Lakers board before .
Seriously why are you on this board trying to derail this thread by posting your nonsense .

Obviously your intentions of BAITING Nugget fans by your childish remarks like this for example isnt working , yet you dont give up .
Why is that BRUNO .

Give up Mang , go back to the Celtics board and worry about your team .

Stop BAITING ........... The east is a Joke and your a JOKE since all you try to do on everyboard is start a piss fight with post like this over "the Nuggets are better than the Lakers " ........GARBAGE
Why do you care , and the end of this series only one teams going to move to the next round .
Whoever that maybe.

And you keep bringing up the past .
If thats the case , then how good were the Cs last year or the year before ? Or when was the last time the Cs were in the finals .
Oh wait they were in the last place last year and they Tanked the entire season so they can land a better pick ............

Come on Bruno ......Stop Baiting Mang .

[bruno sundov]

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WOW!!! You are way off as usual Tony. I'm saying the nuggets are nasty. They need one tweak to help them play better D. That's it and they will be wiping the floor with the lakers. Why are you consistantly such an ass? Why is that? Very confusing to me. So now you can tell me where I can, and can not go. I don't bait people into fights. I'm sorry all you laker fans are hypersensitive. So anything else? Oh yeah, GO NUGGETS!!!

[Bgil]

I hope you aren't just a front running fan since the Lakers are good now...I bet you were one ripping Kobe at the beginning of the year and not you are Kissing Kobe's Arse....but it's quite obvious you are. Most true Laker fans are much classier and respectful. You can have a great conversation about game with many Laker fans...they know the game... you just wanna spew hate.

LOL! Nice strawman. You're only two clicks away from my posting history and yet you make stuff up. Lovely.

It's only hate to you guys because my anaylsis of the game doesn't vibe with your idealistic team prayers. I tried asking you guys why this series would be different than the regular season series and no one gave me a specific answer.

Basically everything I've said about the series has come to pass. And yes, it should also be clear that the Lakers are significantly better than the Nuggets and the Nuggets defense is absolutely horrible in the real world regardless of how good it is statistically.

You guys don't want to discuss the game with anyone who isn't a nuggs homer and that's fine but recongize that you guys are the ones hating right now... not me.

[Sixercise]

If the Nuggets want a REAL shot at upsetting the Lakers, KMart and JR better shut the hell up and not agitate Kobe into *****in on them....it hurt the Nuggets real bad. Not to mention that Nene better suit up and get warmed up for the rest of the series, cuz MC can't do jack against Pau.


This may sound absurd, but by announcing that Klezia's starting for the rest of the series, the Nuggets may have just assured themselves a sweep, and here's why: Kobe can easily get Klezia in foul trouble, as he wouldn't be quick enough to shy away from a bump that Kobe may initialize. Personally, I am frustrated that GK doesn't give Diawara or Bobby Jones spot minutes @ the SG position; they're the two best defenders the Nuggets have, and if the Nugs want to make this a series, GK better play those two guys more. Otherwise they're minced meat.


And of course, I know full well that we now have games 3 & 4 at home, but still, it's not a given that the home crowd will be enough to fuel the Nugs' morale. We need to win the best way, not with half a brain.

[The Rebel]

I hope you aren't just a front running fan since the Lakers are good now...I bet you were one ripping Kobe at the beginning of the year and not you are Kissing Kobe's Arse....but it's quite obvious you are. Most true Laker fans are much classier and respectful. You can have a great conversation about game with many Laker fans...they know the game... you just wanna spew hate.

LOL! Nice strawman. You're only two clicks away from my posting history and yet you make stuff up. Lovely.

It's only hate to you guys because my anaylsis of the game doesn't vibe with your idealistic team prayers. I tried asking you guys why this series would be different than the regular season series and no one gave me a specific answer.

Your analysis? All of us can record ESPN and read the paper and use the exact same analysis you quote here. It would be one thing if you had come here with something new and original to say, but that is expecting too much from a hack troll like yourself.

Basically everything I've said about the series has come to pass. And yes, it should also be clear that the Lakers are significantly better than the Nuggets and the Nuggets defense is absolutely horrible in the real world regardless of how good it is statistically.

So now you are using Reggie Miller and his partner the other night for your thoughts? By the way someone should tell you going by the same stat the genius national media uses, the Lakers are well below average as well. Denver is missing their best big man defender, what is the Lakers excuse?

You guys don't want to discuss the game with anyone who isn't a nuggs homer and that's fine but recongize that you guys are the ones hating right now... not me.

I will discuss the game or any topic with any reasonable fan who can formulate a thought that is not stolen from someone else. being that I have yet to see one from you, I can understand why nobnody wants to deal with you.

[Deuce33]

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So now you are using Reggie Miller and his partner the other night for your thoughts? By the way someone should tell you going by the same stat the genius national media uses, the Lakers are well below average as well. Denver is missing their best big man defender, what is the Lakers excuse?.

Ummm..Have you forgotten about OUR Defensive anchor in Andrew Bynum? Or our second best perimeter defender in Ariza? you know, the guy that shutdown A.I. in the 4th qtr this year back in Denver. Even if Nene was healthy and we still didn't have Bynum and Ariza, we're still the better team overall, we don't need to make excuses.

Like the Laker fans have said from day 1, you guys have all the talent in the world, it just doesn't mean sh*t since the nuggets don't play as a TEAM. Seriously, how the hell do you guys expect to beat anybody in the playoffs when you play no ounce of defense and strictly go one on one all day on the offensive end? You think just your talent alone will be enough to beat us?

[The Rebel]

YOU ARE 7 GAMES ABOVE THE NUGGETS! 7!! How is that considered "so far above" them? The Lakers team is "so far above" the Sonics...they are "so far above" the Timberwolves..they are not "so far above" the Nuggets as you would like to beleive. Sorry. The Nuggets lost because Karl did stupid things? No sh*t! Tell us all something we don't know.

Yes, the Lakers are FAR better than the Nuggets. It's really not even close as you've seen but the fact that you've been demolished in 3 games now. The gap between the Lakers and Nuggets in a head to head matchup is about the same as Nuggets vs Kings.

The Nuggs will win one game at most in this series.

The lakers are a whole 7 games better then the Nuggets. A couple of wins be the Lakers mean nothing, and the Nuggets can beat the Lakers if they decide to actually play together instead of everyone of the being selfish..

That was different in that the Shaq-led Lakers were a completely different team in the playoffs than in the regular season. In Shaq's eight year here we only finished first in the West once yet we made the finals 4 times. Clearly that was different.

So it was different how? how does this argument show that the regular season is any indicator of the playoffs? Once again are you having trouble putting your thoughts into words?

As you can see by the first game, this series is going to play out pretty much the same way the regular season series did. You guys have the same problems with us now that you had then and vise-versa. Your flaws haven't changed at all since January. It's just a Denver fan's pipe dream to think any different at this point.

You may want to do some research, while the first two games may be an indicator they are far from meaning that the next 5 will be the same. Last I heard it was a best of seven series, and you can go ask Seattle fans what happened last time they thought it was over after two games against the Nuggets. Didn't your little league coach ever teach you not to celebrate until the games are over? If not maybe that is a lesson for this year.

Karl went away from Iverson because we changed the way we were defending him. Kobe and Ariza vs Fisher and Farmar.

I personally hope you keep guarding him with Kobe and Ariza, it is a good thing when he passes.

Again, what's going to make it more interesting now then it was in the regular season? You guys keep trying to call me out but are providing basically no real analysis of why this series is going to be any different. The only thing that's even come up in this thread is the possiblity of Nene but even that's a pipe dream (at best) and the idea that he's going to lock down Gasol is ridiculous because his points aren't coming in one-on-one situations.

Let's see The Nuggets are a team that may or may not show up depending on the day, It is one of the reasons why so many Nuggets fans have a love hate relationship with them, if you think you have seen the Nuggets at their best the last two games you are crazy, they did win 50 games, which since I am beginning to believe you are math challenged that is a whole 7 games less then the Lakers (hardly anything to brag about). They show up and you will see why it is possible that they beat your Lakers, otherwise more of the same.

As for Nene and gasol, you must be on crack if you think nene will not affect the game and Gasol, ask Duncan and a few of the other truly great bigmen how much they like being in the middle with him? Of course if you had watched any Nuggets games where he played you would know better then to say he would not affect Gasol.

also find it funny that any Laker fan would talk about any player scoring 40 pts or more and the team losing....how many of those types of games has Kobe had? Exactly. GTFOH. Like I said before concentrate on your own team getting out the first round (in which they haven't done since Shaq left) before you come on other forums talking about a bunch on nonsense.

The irony of a Nuggets fan blasting a Laker fan for not making it out of the first round in years
I bet we make it out of the first round this year LOL!

Wow blasting teams for losing when they have a player score 40 gets ignored, I would expect nothing less from a Laker homer, except most of them are smart enough to never bring that **** up.

AS for getting out of the first round, you are right, it has been a awhile and neither team are out of it right now.

You guys haven't made it out of the first round in the last 14 years! Oops, make that 15 years.

what kind of education are you getting in LA that you cannot even figure out a simple math problems, you had two tries. Although I should tell you that while your a feeling all high and mighty you might want to do some research on what happened that year, of course I am sure you can tell us all the reason why you think the Lakers are better then that Sonics team was.

As for whether we do this year or not, we probably will not, but that is okay, as that means the team will make changes and finally improve, while the Lakers and Kobe go get punched in the mouth while getting killed by the Jazz. Of course you could get lucky and run into another team that has their best big man injured, but I think the Rockets are a little better built to handle it.

[The Rebel]

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Ummm..Have you forgotten about OUR Defensive anchor in Andrew Bynum? Or our second best perimeter defender in Ariza? you know, the guy that shutdown A.I. in the 4th qtr this year back in Denver. Even if Nene was healthy and we still didn't have Bynum and Ariza, we're still the better team overall, we don't need to make excuses.

Right you do not make excuses, this year at least, or maybe just this last half of season. AS for Bynum he was expected to be a minor role player going into the season, Nene was our starter, so it is a little different.

Like the Laker fans have said from day 1, you guys have all the talent in the world, it just doesn't mean sh*t since the nuggets don't play as a TEAM. Seriously, how the hell do you guys expect to beat anybody in the playoffs when you play no ounce of defense and strictly go one on one all day on the offensive end? You think just your talent alone will be enough to beat us?

If you think the Nuggets won 50 games playing they way they have the last two then you are crazy. They do know how to play as a team, and many of us expect them to play like that Saturday.

[pickaxe]

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If you think the Nuggets won 50 games playing they way they have the last two then you are crazy. They do know how to play as a team, and many of us expect them to play like that Saturday.

It's tough to show them love when they play like that on the road, but that's truly what I believe fires them up is that hope that this is what they will see when they get back to home court.

[sportsmikegm23]

I hope you aren't just a front running fan since the Lakers are good now...I bet you were one ripping Kobe at the beginning of the year and not you are Kissing Kobe's Arse....but it's quite obvious you are. Most true Laker fans are much classier and respectful. You can have a great conversation about game with many Laker fans...they know the game... you just wanna spew hate.

LOL! Nice strawman. You're only two clicks away from my posting history and yet you make stuff up. Lovely.

It's only hate to you guys because my anaylsis of the game doesn't vibe with your idealistic team prayers. I tried asking you guys why this series would be different than the regular season series and no one gave me a specific answer.

Basically everything I've said about the series has come to pass. And yes, it should also be clear that the Lakers are significantly better than the Nuggets and the Nuggets defense is absolutely horrible in the real world regardless of how good it is statistically.

You guys don't want to discuss the game with anyone who isn't a nuggs homer and that's fine but recongize that you guys are the ones hating right now... not me.

So you want to have a game/series discussion? Ok, Honestly the 1st 2 games of the series, the Nuggets offense has been sad. Only 12 assists in game 2, that is terrible. And here is where you tell me this team is nothing but an And 1 squad... at times that would be true, but there have been many games where we have had game of 30 assists or more and play team orientated basketball.... Everyone wants to hammer on the defense, but until they started Kleiza in game 2....60% of our starting line-up were "defensive minded" players. If AI and especially Melo buckle down...we can be a solid defense team... We beat San Antonio 80-77 early in the year and have had other similar defensive efforts...it is as consistent as it should be....no... can they do it...yes.

If talent were everything, I think I would rather have the Nuggets... Melo, AI, JR, Kleiza, Camby, K-mart, Nene VS Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Radman, Fisher, Turiaf, Walton, Farmar... I will give you Kobe and Gasol are better than AI and Melo... but I have never been a fan of Odom or Radman. The reason you are finally a better team is that Kobe finally saw the light that MJ saw in his career. You need a team around you to win... you have to make them better....to Kobe's credit he has made them better because before this year most Laker fans thought Odom was soft, thought Radman should be traded for anything, Kobe wanted Kidd for Bynum (glad Kobe's not the GM). Talent wise we have as much talent...but it's about team and the Nuggets haven't played that way in the 1st 2 game period. Since you only saw 3 Nuggets games and listen to all the ESPN people... no matter how good your talent is...you can't win 50 games in a league unless you do play some defense and play as a team....it is impossible.

Now, if you'd like to have a debate about some of this...I am very happy to debate you. But the fact is...you are coming in here and spreading hate... you team was up 1-0 when it started and now you are up 2-0. You have won 2 home games like every good top seed should. Maybe you will sweep us...but so I am suppose to not cheer for my team? I have been a Nuggets fan since I was 2 years old... If the Nuggets were winning this series 2-0 I wouldn't be on the Lakers board spewing hate or trying to get into a word war.

So what exactly did I make up? That you wanted Kobe gone before the season started? Most Laker fans were pissed at him...so maybe I made an assumption, you have made alot of them...

Game 1 analysis... The Nuggets had terrible weak side rotations defensively thus causing Gasol to have a career playoff performance. Having AC start the game with the Lakers big line-up created too many height mismatches and lead to easy lay-ups and dunks. Melo played like crap and when he was out in the 2nd quarter...the Nuggets made a run and lead by 8...and put him back in and lost the lead. The 3rd quarter the Nuggets started in the AC again...and again it was taking advantage of by the Lakers. The Nuggets couldn't limb out of the hole...The Lakers did a great job of finding the open man for very easy looks.

Game 2 analysis... The Nuggets started out well....but lost a bit of focus...then Kobe started being Kobe... and at times, yes, the Nuggets were lax defensively...but Kobe did his thing... not many players one on one will stop Kobe... the Lakers closed the 2nd quarter out with a 10-0 run
to lead by 10 at half... The Nuggets cut the lead to 1 and even took a brief lead...but the Lakers made the Nuggets pay for some defensive lapses... 4th quarter....Nuggets cut the lead to 3, but then go moronic and get a few technicals...the Lakers have an 8-1 run...push the lead back to 10 and Kobe gets red hot again. Game over.

Nuggets fans know...this team hasn't played close to their potential in this series...yes, I will give the Lakers credit for doing what they needed to do and making the Nuggets not play as well...but most of the errors have been Nugget mental and emotional errors. Like I said before, you all (the Lakers) played more consistently as a team this year. Your team was the favorite for a reason. A Nuggets homer? I can be critical about the team... but can you be objective about your Lakers? I doubt it....

Strawman....boy that was sure an insult, I think you should just stick to basketball in my humble opinion.

[bruno sundov]

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If you think the Nuggets won 50 games playing they way they have the last two then you are crazy. They do know how to play as a team, and many of us expect them to play like that Saturday.

rebel you the man. i just don't have the patience for it!!! Thank god someone is laying it out there for these arrogant fans!!!

[pickaxe]

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rebel you the man. i just don't have the patience for it!!! Thank god someone is laying it out there for these arrogant fans!!!

You have to have patience this year.

[Bgil]

If AI and especially Melo buckle down...we can be a solid defense team...

That's a big if... especially for the smallest swingman in the league (ever?) and a slightly chubby small forward. My point is that the Nuggs AREN'T a good defensive team. they may have a nice defensive performance every now and then and look great on paper but in real life they're down right bad.

If talent were everything, I think I would rather have the Nuggets... Melo, AI, JR, Kleiza, Camby, K-mart, Nene VS Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Radman, Fisher, Turiaf, Walton, Farmar... I will give you Kobe and Gasol are better than AI and Melo... but I have never been a fan of Odom or Radman.

True enough. Don't agree with all points but definitely a reasonable opinion.

The reason you are finally a better team is that Kobe finally saw the light that MJ saw in his career. You need a team around you to win... you have to make them better....to Kobe's credit he has made them better because before this year most Laker fans thought Odom was soft, thought Radman should be traded for anything, Kobe wanted Kidd for Bynum (glad Kobe's not the GM).

MJ didn't do what Kobe is doing now. He was selfish from start to finish and had to be forced to trust teammates every step of the way. At no point during his career did he want to be the decoy in the triangle offense nor did he ever want to take on any role that didn't make him the offensive engine (read: shooting) behind the team. That goes for Chicago, Washington, the Olympics... everywhere.
MJ and Kobe are ultimately very different players. A lot of the great things MJ did Kobe won't or doesn't want to do and vise versa.

... This isn't something that Kobe just realized this season. He's been doing it for years but this season is the first one he's had (since Shaq left) where he was surrounded by competent players and players who know the offense well enough to exploit it.
Since 2002, he's been talking to the media about getting more talent and building the proper team. He was never the "I'll win games on my own" type. The West to Mitch transition showed everyone the light regarding the neccessity of role players in winning championships (meaning West brought in tons of good ones while Mitch let them deteriorate because he had Kobe and Shaq).

Since you only saw 3 Nuggets games and listen to all the ESPN people... no matter how good your talent is...you can't win 50 games in a league unless you do play some defense and play as a team....it is impossible.

Making more **** up. I don't even watch ESPN at all. I get all my games from bittorent, P2P, and league pass. I don't even have a TV.
Yes, you can win 50+ games without playing defense. Phoenix did it several times. Seattle did it a few years ago. Dallas did it with Nash/Dirk/Finley etc. GS nearly did it this season. The Nuggets are just the next version of those teams.

The Nuggets had terrible weak side rotations defensively thus causing Gasol to have a career playoff performance.

the rotations weren't great but the bigger problem was the massive matchup problems they created with that Kenyon stunt. If AI and AC are too small to guard Kobe then what makes people think they'd be big enough to guard Luke, Odom, and RadMan? AC would have done a much better job if they just would have let him d up Kobe. That's a lot better than letting Gasol, Odom, and Luke have some of their best playoff games ever.

Defensive rotations work much better when everyone can at least hold their man in front of them for a few seconds without giving up an easy basket. Otherwise the offense is just going to keep passing the ball until the y get the open man. The ball moves faster through the air than a man can move to follow it so the offense has a big advantage.

Nuggets fans know...this team hasn't played close to their potential in this series...yes, I will give the Lakers credit for doing what they needed to do and making the Nuggets not play as well...but most of the errors have been Nugget mental and emotional errors.

Potential? This is the max of their potential against the (current) Lakers! There's been 6 games now. The post-season series looks just like the regular season series.... like I said it would.

Your team was the favorite for a reason. A Nuggets homer? I can be critical about the team... but can you be objective about your Lakers? I doubt it....

Given that this series has transpired pretty much exactly like I said it would AND NO ONE ELSE HERE CAN SAY THAT, then you're not in a place to question my objectivity. All you Nuggets fans that were hating on me, for telling what has been shown to be the absolute truth, need to question your own objectivity.