Friction between Giri and Bell?

Post #21 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:45 pm

walkingart...Thank you for saving my typing fingers

Exactly my point

eastsidecrossover · Post #22 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:17 pm

I find it idiotic how much little chiwawa, opps, I mean petbull says about barbs. Its the same old rubbish hommerism take that I just don't read anymore because its the same over reaction to people who see barbs in reality as an average role player. One of the best 6th man, but one of the most inconsistent and head case players in the league. I like the guy, and would only trade him if you can find the right deal that will make us better. But barbs makes us better off the bench most games.

Sorry to get off topic guys. I am not that big of a fan of Jeff Dean either. I think he is blowing smoke on nothing that is really there.

Post #23 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:40 pm

I like Barbosa :/...he's not playing too well, but we shouldn't trade him unless we get CLEARLY better.

If Barbosa was in the draft right now, he'd be a lottery pick IMO, so why consider trading him for another lottery pick when he's signed to a reasonable contract and he's ready to produce NOW?

PeTBuLL · Post #24 » by **PeTBuLL** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:53 pm

Leandro cannot play well against SAS, so what? Few players can... But you cannot transpass this to a playoff view, Leandro is the High Scorer player, in playoff

truepg · Post #25 » by **truepg** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:31 pm

no way i cant agree that giri should be played more and barbs less... especially in the playoffs.

it's proven that barbs doesnt have any play selection... all he does is try to outrun the opponent and make a forced shot. maybe thats ok, or even optimal against weak opponents in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

another point, barbs does not play well in important games or decisive plays. and thats not only with suns. hes been choking as usual with the Brazilian national team where he is supposed to be the leader of the team.

and yeah, i still think barbs is a better player than giri, but at least giri let nash and the others take care when it really matters, and doesnt try to make crazy plays at important moments.

PeTBuLL · Post #26 » by **PeTBuLL** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:15 pm

truepg wrote:no way i cant agree that giri should be played more and barbs less... especially in the playoffs.

it's proven that barbs doesnt have any play selection... all he does is try to outrun the opponent and make a forced shot. maybe thats ok, or even optimal against weak opponents in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.

another point, barbs does not play well in important games or decisive plays. and thats not only with suns. hes been choking as usual with the Brazilian national team where he is supposed to be the leader of the team.

and yeah, i still think barbs is a better player than giri, but at least giri let nash and the others take care when it really matters, and doesnt try to make crazy plays at important moments.

Name a single crazy play made by barbosa in game one!

just one!

Post #27 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:27 pm

- should have shot the game winner where he was, rather than go for the off balanced runner which he makes at about a 20% clip

And it's not so much the crazy plays, it's the ones he's NOT making that are what most NBA fans deem 'basic'. I don't remember the last offensive foul he drew or even tried to draw. I don't see how a guy with his crazy arm length and quickness ISN'T a better defender...

-SDU- · Post #28 » by **-SDU-** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:29 pm

haha, pete, i like barbs and all that stuff, but sometimes you are blind to his faults due to your love for him

Sun Scorched · Post #29 » by **Sun Scorched** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:03 am

TASTIC wrote:- should have shot the game winner where he was, rather than go for the off balanced runner which he makes at about a 20% clip

And it's not so much the crazy plays, it's the ones he's NOT making that are what most NBA fans deem 'basic'. I don't remember the last offensive foul he drew or even tried to draw. I don't see how a guy with his crazy arm length and quickness ISN'T a better defender...

I would be interested to see what Barbosa's practices look like. What do you think he works on? One would love to imagine his upside and potential... but why the lack of improvement?

-SDU- · Post #30 » by **-SDU-** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:11 am

barbs has improved immensely from his early years

tho he is slightly regressed from last year

walkingart · Post #31 » by **walkingart** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:31 am

Barbs is better than average, but not by much. I think most of all, those who are critical or overly critical as some might suggest, are completely frustrated by the large gap Barbs has between his potential and his reality.

It is becoming clear to most that he is not as great as he has been touted by fans and even Mike D who always says he has 7 starters; bull!, cough, cough!! And for all of you who would suggest that him and Amare have low basketball IQ's, bite your tongue. Amare came into the league with a ton of physical ability and has added skill after skill to his game, and has the potential, and drive to get better. To lump him into the same realm as Barbs is not fair in the slightest. The MAIN difference between them is that Barbs will take the running leaner again and again, while Amare will learn to pass to the open man(Shaq) or take the pull up from 15 feet, instead of picking up the charge.

Amen316 · Post #32 » by **Amen316** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:32 am

albasuna wrote:i still think giricek is still playing out of control.

He absolutely does about 90pct of the time. The truth is when Barbosa puts his head down you can be assured it is going to be a breakneck play.
Both have the ability to score with some strange shots but Giri really seems to put up shots at times a pass would be better.

-SDU- · Post #33 » by **-SDU-** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:39 am

i actually think giri has the ability to be a "manu lite" if we give him the minutes

Post #34 » by **TASTIC** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:06 am

^Yeah that's what I think. He can put the ball on the floor and shoot the midrange, though obviously without the acrobatics/athleticism of Ginobili.

At least when Giricek corrals a rebound and brings it up you don't hold your breath and actually LOOK at who he's going to run over/how he's going to be trapped by the opposing team like you do with Barbosa.

I think Barbosa has high trade value now, a team like CHA or POR could use him to put next to Felton/Roy respectively...both have lottery picks and cap space...Seriously though, would ANYONE want to help POR? they're going to be HUGE with Oden back anyway

dm17415 · Post #35 » by **dm17415** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:50 am

TASTIC wrote:^Yeah that's what I think. He can put the ball on the floor and shoot the midrange, though obviously without the acrobatics/athleticism of Ginobili.

At least when Giricek corrals a rebound and brings it up you don't hold your breath and actually LOOK at who he's going to run over/how he's going to be trapped by the opposing team like you do with Barbosa.

I think Barbosa has high trade value now, a team like CHA or POR could use him to put next to Felton/Roy respectively...both have lottery picks and cap space...Seriously though, would ANYONE want to help POR? they're going to be HUGE with Oden back anyway

We've helped them enough as it is by selling our draft picks every year.