Dorrel Wright? Future or Past?

[heat4life]

So let me get this straight, it is Riley's fault that Dorrell's career is where is at today? It is Riley's fault that Rasual Butler is the player he is today or Eddie House? Maybe Ernst Brown, Wayne Simien or Ken Johnson? Jerome Beasley?

Should we go ahead and credit him with Wade and Caron Butler success too?

[Heat3]

Amazing. For years you guys are bashing Riley for not giving young players a chance. Now all of a sudden you act as if he's the greatest coach at developing rookies.

[SmushedPennies]

To me, anybody that questions whether or not Dorell would be more developed under most other coaches is pretty clueless. Riley has no patience for young players however you slice it.

[GameTime_3]

I think it depends on who we pick but it also depends on Marion. If Marion signs long-term then i say S&T.

[mitchco]

wright's old news

[HeatSince88]

To me, anybody that questions whether or not Dorell would be more developed under most other coaches is pretty clueless. Riley has no patience for young players however you slice it.

To me, anybody that constantly has to call people "dumb" or "clueless" to make their argument, as you have in this thread, doesn't have an argument in the first place.

Fact is, Riley cleared our entire roster of small forwards this year to give poor little Dorell a guaranteed spot in the starting lineup. Posey - gone. Kapono - gone. Eddie Jones - gone.

And what happened? Dorell was awful from the very first minute of the very first preseason game. Then of course the excuse shifted from "Riley won't give Dorell a chance" to "Riley put too much pressure on Dorell by giving him so many minutes".

LOL. The Dorell Wright Excuse Machine is gearing up or another year...

[mitchco]

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To me, anybody that constantly has to call people "dumb" or "clueless" to make their argument, as you have in this thread, doesn't have an argument in the first place.

Fact is, Riley cleared our entire roster of small forwards this year to give poor little Dorell a guaranteed spot in the starting lineup. Posey - gone. Kapono - gone. Eddie Jones - gone.

And what happened? Dorell was awful from the very first minute of the very first preseason game. Then of course the excuse shifted from "Riley won't give Dorell a chance" to "Riley put too much pressure on Dorell by giving him so many minutes".

LOL. The Dorell Wright Excuse Machine is gearing up or another year...

But.....he's like...um.....a good rebounder right?

[Miami's Finest]

Sometimes I wonder what his development would be like had SVG been coaching him all these years.

+1. The proof is in the pudding. Not making excuses for Wright I thought he was a bad pick at the time (should have got Jameer Nelson) and don't really have much hope for him (can Wade play without his bff?). Just frustrated with Riley being so stubborn with young guys and I don't think he's the best man for the rebuilding. We know he will always be win at all cost mentality and he believes veterans are the way to win.

[SmushedPennies]

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To me, anybody that constantly has to call people "dumb" or "clueless" to make their argument, as you have in this thread, doesn't have an argument in the first place.

Fact is, Riley cleared our entire roster of small forwards this year to give poor little Dorell a guaranteed spot in the starting lineup. Posey - gone. Kapono - gone. Eddie Jones - gone.

And what happened? Dorell was awful from the very first minute of the very first preseason game. Then of course the excuse shifted from "Riley won't give Dorell a chance" to "Riley put too much pressure on Dorell by giving him so many minutes".

LOL. The Dorell Wright Excuse Machine is gearing up or another year...

Wow. You think Riley neglected to re-sign Posey and Kapono because of Dorell Wright? You have got to be kidding me. Do you really think Riley preferred an unproven, fledgling player like Dorell over a proven championship role player like Posey or the defending three-point champion in Kapono? No. Despite the Heat ending up above the luxury tax this year, financial concerns were the ultimate reason neither Posey nor Kapono were re-signed. Dorell ended up getting his "chance" because there was little further option and great expectation from him regarding the franchise SF position If you expected Wright to become Tracy McGrady or something close to it essentially his freshmen or sophomore year of the pros then you've got your hopes up. Obviously he won't be that kind of player, but I think its still too early to argue against him being a prime candidate to run alongside Wade till the end of his career. If he can stay healthy, I think this upcoming year is the year to really judge him as an NBA player.

[heat4life]

So I am sitting here trying to understand the contradictions here. First Riley didn't give Dorrell the minutes. Now we are dilusional because we "expected Wright to become Tracy McGrady or something close to it essentially his freshmen or sophomore year of the pros" ?
Isn't it fair to expect a "rotation" player in a "championship contender" to AT LEAST be able to contribute significally whether it is on his freshmen or sophmore years in the league?"

SVG (Dorrell's first coach) didn't play him much and we went to the EC Finals Game 7. Pat Riley, didn't play him much and we won the NBA championship. I just don't see what is wrong with that?

Last season Dorrell got his minutes just like this year when the situation called for it. He responded with inconsistent play hence the inconsistent PT. If Dorrell plays good consistently, you don't think Riley would've played him more? even with Posey, Kapono and Eddie Jones ahead of him?

Let's stop putting the blame on the coaches like this is a conspiracy. Dorrell was not ready his first 3 years in the league. Finally this season he showed a bit more of promise but STILL struggled. The kids needs work and if the coach thinks he deserves to play, then great. If he doesn't then I'll respect that as well. It is not as if he was putting fear in opponents game plans.

It is what it is guys. Dorrell is still young so there is still promise that hopefully he'll develop. But I do not agree with giving a player minutes based on "potential" alone.

[DayofMourning]

I agree that this coming year should be a much better indicator of Wright's ability. That's another reason I'd like to see the Heat stay young so that DW can be confident in his role as a quasi-vet on this team. I think he'd feel and perform better in a more youthful environment. He's got the talent, he just needs the minutes to build confidence.

[HeatSince88]

DORELL WRIGHT: GAMES & MINUTES PLAYED (BY COACH)

Stan Van Gundy as Coach
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10 Games out of 118 Possible .............. 8.4% of team's games
Minutes Averaged Per Game ................ 6.2 minutes per game

Pat Riley as Coach
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124 Games out of 228 Possible ............. 54.3% of team's games
Minutes Averaged Per Game .................. 20.1 minutes per game



Incorrect Conclusion of the Dorell Wright Excuse Machine
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"Pat Riley has ruined Dorell by not giving him minutes. If only Stan Van Gundy were his coach, he would get more minutes and thus develop into the magical player of my wet dreams."

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Dorell's averages when he played more than 25 minutes:

21 games, 34.4 minutes
11.9 pts, 50.5% FG (103/204), 85.1% FT (40/47), 44.4% 3PT (4/9)
7.4 rebounds, 1.3 blocks, 0.9 steals, 0.7 turnovers, 2.0 assists

Looks like he was passive on offense.
Other than that, what's the problem?

[HeatSince88]

Dorell's averages when he played more than 25 minutes:

21 games, 34.4 minutes
11.9 pts, 50.5% FG (103/204), 85.1% FT (40/47), 44.4% 3PT (4/9)
7.4 rebounds, 1.3 blocks, 0.9 steals, 0.7 turnovers, 2.0 assists

Looks like he was passive on offense.
Other than that, what's the problem?

Did you look at our record in those games? LOL.

Look, any player in the NBA can put up numbers if playing 34.4 minutes on a losing squad. Heck, why don't you look up Kasib Powell or Bobby Jones's numbers for us? I imagien they put up similar numbers over 34.4 minutes, so I suppose w'ere supposed to ride their jocks too?

The reason Wright does not get consistent PT is that he doesn't know how to play winning basketball. Doesn't know where the ball should go on offense, where he should go, when to push, when to pull back, when to shoot, when to pass, where to rotate on defense, when to switch, etc. And that results in losing basketball.

Van Gundy knew it, Riley knows it, and most Heat fans who know their b-ball know it. It's the wet dreamers that think "young and athletic automatically means awesome" that haven't quite gotten it yet.

[wigglestrue]

Did you look at our record in those games? LOL.

Hey dude, guess what your record was with Dwyane Wade. 10-41.

Look, any player in the NBA can put up numbers if playing 34.4 minutes on a losing squad.

No, not just any wing player given minutes can shoot 50% overall, 85% at the line, grab 7-8 rebounds, and block 1+ shots, get a steal, all while averaging less than one turnover.

Heck, why don't you look up Kasib Powell or Bobby Jones's numbers for us? I imagien they put up similar numbers over 34.4 minutes, so I suppose w'ere supposed to ride their jocks too?

They didn't, though.

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The reason Wright does not get consistent PT is that he doesn't know how to play winning basketball. Doesn't know where the ball should go on offense, where he should go, when to push, when to pull back, when to shoot, when to pass, where to rotate on defense, when to switch, etc.

He's 22. You're not born knowing that ****, it's supposed to be learned over time, bred into him by good coaching.

And that results in losing basketball.

Van Gundy knew it, Riley knows it, and most Heat fans who know their b-ball know it. It's the wet dreamers that think "young and athletic automatically means awesome" that haven't quite gotten it yet.

You sound like a miserable person.

[DayofMourning]

Wright isn't that bad in all those facets. I think his biggest issue is not knowing his role on the team. The guy has never had a chance to play significant minutes for a prolonged period of time.

He's a good passer, defender, and efficient scorer. He makes bad decisions sometimes but so does every other 22 year old. I think the big problem is that he was expected to develop into a fantastic talent, i.e. scorer, which he has not. If he shot the ball 25 times a game then he would definitely have the numbers of any superstar.

There's a reason Riley has been reluctant to get rid of him in trade scenarios. He has the ability he just needs to learn his role. The SF position in Riley's scheme is a 3 point shooting, defensive ace. It's hard to get into a rhythm when you're a young gun wanting to let loose and you're repeatedly being forced to be a stationary player on offense.

[Heat3]

HeatSince88,

Do you think DWright would be exactly the same had SVG been his coach the entire time?

Are you saying that the Head coach will make absolutely no difference in the development of a player?

Sheesh....all I said was I wondered....sometimes....

[heat4life]

I still don't understand how can some people argue that "he is only 22, give him time" in one sentence and then turn around and throw "he should ve gotten more minutes, damn Pat Riley" on the next sentence.

If you are saying that he was TOO YOUNG then take it as THAT being the reason why he got no playing time. Maybe he is more mature now and would show improvement. How is that the coaches fault? SVG and Riley played their best players. Why blame them?

Let's hope Wright turns into a consistent player and can develop into a rotation player (I believe he still can) but let's also stop passing blame on why he hasn't gotten minutes. We knew it the day we drafted him as a High School graduate. He was a 4 year project at least. We were OK with it then when we were winning and all of the sudden it is the coaches fault for not giving him minutes then?

[Heat3]

I still don't understand how can some people argue that "he is only 22, give him time" in one sentence and then turn around and throw "he should ve gotten more minutes, damn Pat Riley" on the next sentence.

If you are saying that he was TOO YOUNG then take it as THAT being the reason why he got no playing time. Maybe he is more mature now and would show improvement. How is that the coaches fault? SVG and Riley played their best players. Why blame them?

Let's hope Wright turns into a consistent player and can develop into a rotation player (I believe he still can) but let's also stop passing blame on why he hasn't gotten minutes. We knew it the day we drafted him as a High School graduate. He was a 4 year project at least. We were OK with it then when we were winning and all of the sudden it is the coaches fault for not giving him minutes then?

I think you'll find that some people are saying that he's too young while others are saying he's done. We mustn't confuse the two

[SmushedPennies]

DORELL WRIGHT: GAMES & MINUTES PLAYED (BY COACH)

Stan Van Gundy as Coach
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10 Games out of 118 Possible .............. 8.4% of team's games
Minutes Averaged Per Game ................ 6.2 minutes per game

Pat Riley as Coach
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124 Games out of 228 Possible ............. 54.3% of team's games
Minutes Averaged Per Game .................. 20.1 minutes per game



Incorrect Conclusion of the Dorell Wright Excuse Machine
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"Pat Riley has ruined Dorell by not giving him minutes. If only Stan Van Gundy were his coach, he would get more minutes and thus develop into the magical player of my wet dreams."

Nice chart but your argument is totally nullified when one considers who else was on the roster at those times, as well as Dorell's stage of development.

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Did you look at our record in those games? LOL.

Look, any player in the NBA can put up numbers if playing 34.4 minutes on a losing squad. Heck, why don't you look up Kasib Powell or Bobby Jones's numbers for us? I imagien they put up similar numbers over 34.4 minutes, so I suppose w'ere supposed to ride their jocks too?

The reason Wright does not get consistent PT is that he doesn't know how to play winning basketball. Doesn't know where the ball should go on offense, where he should go, when to push, when to pull back, when to shoot, when to pass, where to rotate on defense, when to switch, etc. And that results in losing basketball.

Heh, OK, so now Dorell is the reason the Heat were so terrible this season. Nice.

I'm not one that thinks Riley should've force-fed Dorell minutes while we were trying to contend. I personally believe that his minutes could've been handled differently when he started showing signs of being a rotation player. Too many times I saw him get pulled from (often meaningless) games permanently for making a small mistake, or smiling. Obviously there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about, and this is no criticism to Pat Riley, he does what he does, but there's no question he's got a short leash on Dorell. You can see it in the way the kid plays and the facial expressions he makes between plays, he's constantly worried about getting benched.