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Post#21 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:23 pm

SpeedyG wrote:I actually now feel what good Toronto fans feel when they see a fellow Raptor fan spewing garbage like this on the general and other boards here at RealGM.

Quite embarassing.


Care to point out what "garbage" i'm spewing? Rich addressed me a certain way and for the 2nd time since i've been here tried to falsely accuse me of bandwagoning, and i responded in kind, i only give out what others give to me, you don't find me in here lobbing insults at anyone else i disagree with, for a board that claims "classyness", it's obvious that things are only kept classy by certain posters on here when it's convenient for them. You can look at my posts since i've been here and you'll see that i haven't come at anyone on here in a disrespectful manner, and i try to keep everything light hearted even when things aren't going well in Netsland but for some reason since the first day i've posted here, this guy has had some sort of problem with me so i decided to address it. This conversation has nothing to do with you or any other poster, but if you want to be some sort of sideline cheerleader that wants to stick up for her boyfriend, by all means have at it.
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Post#22 » by SpeedyG » Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:35 pm

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Care to point out what "garbage" i'm spewing? Rich addressed me a certain way and for the 2nd time since i've been here tried to falsely accuse me of bandwagoning, and i responded in kind, i only give out what others give to me, you don't find me in here lobbing insults at anyone else i disagree with, for a board that claims "classyness", it's obvious that things are only kept classy by certain posters on here when it's convenient for them. You can look at my posts since i've been here and you'll see that i haven't come at anyone on here in a disrespectful manner, and i try to keep everything light hearted even when things aren't going well in Netsland but for some reason since the first day i've posted here, this guy has had some sort of problem with me so i decided to address it. This conversation has nothing to do with you or any other poster, but if you want to be some sort of sideline cheerleader that wants to stick up for her boyfriend, by all means have at it.


Because honestly, we're tired of hearing you go into threads, both here and in General Boards, or trade boards, or what ever boards here in RealGM, and start spewing trash on Kidd, especially when the thread has nothing to do with Kidd's off the field issues. You basically have become a Kidd hater, much as most Raps fans have become Vince hater.

We hate it. Majority of the fans hate Raptors fans who still spew their hate on Vince. So do we. You want to talk Nets? Fine. Leave all that wife-beating comment out of it. You certainly didn't seem to have a problem with it when we were winning and he was leading us to back to back Finals appearance, did you? He was KIDD. He was awesome. And then you had that perceived notion of him quitting, fueled by nothing but speculation and by the media, and suddenly he's this scum that you just can't help but make a comment on every Nets thread or every Kidd thread out there, regardless if it has anything to do with what happened this season with the Nets, or in his private life.

And especially when you try to represent yourself as the representative of how this board feels, which CLEARLY it is not.
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Post#23 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:32 pm

Rich, Mr. Dollar Bills, not for nothing but your posts are getting way to long.
I was thoroughly enjoying this childish slandering of each other, but the recent posts are just getting way too long.
I feel like I am reading E flaming a Toronto or Knicks fan without as much witty puns and insults.
I request that you are limited to no more than 2 paragraphs per reply unless you include as least 2 yo momma jokes in each one.
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Post#24 » by jerseyjac » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:05 pm

just keep it clean...write as much as you want...and at least take the time to appreicates one another's perspectives...there are always two sides of things, so lets just keep it as that...

note: use the report button if necessary...which I dont think it will be...just dont break the language filter...
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Post#25 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:23 pm

jerseyjac wrote:
note: use the report button if necessary


Nobody likes a tattle-tale. :gossip:
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Post#26 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:47 pm

Well Speedy, you seem to be a pretty bright guy, so just figure out how to use the ignore function and that will solve all of your problems, i could care less if you read what i say or not, there is no rule for this forum that says I have to march in step with other Net fans and praise Jason Kidd as God. Sorry to find out that i have been making your posting life on RealGM so miserable because I have the audacity to NOT SHARE THE SAME OPINION AS YOURSELF...what the hell is wrong with you? :laugh:

And for the record, i wasn't posting here in 2001, i just started posting here this year, and i was very supportive of Kidd up until he pulled his little stunt this season. My ill will towards him has to do with how he left here, i'm not disrespecting his accomplishments here, in fact, i think back very fondly about the "old" days and wish things turned out different, but it didn't, he did what he did, so i say what i say. If you don't like how i feel about the issue, tough!! I'll say how i feel and still respect other posters regardless of their opinion, so to further avoid these silly squabbles, i suggest you shut the hell up and do the same.
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Post#27 » by Rich Rane » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Well Speedy, you seem to be a pretty bright guy, so just figure out how to use the ignore function and that will solve all of your problems,


Sure, let's all adjust to you. How selfish. This board has been great due to posters being tolerable to each other WHILE giving their opinions. You're far from that. I told you when you first started posting here I never would specifically attack a Nets poster unless that poster was asking for trouble or not willing to learn. I said I would only look out for that person, something I told you. You voiced your opinion on a subject (great) and mine were given on the same subject. I, speaking of how things have worked when I started posting, gave you some advice and crticism, but you got so defensive, you've completely ignored that and made me out to be the bad guy.

I also recall that if you kept going down the path you were going, regulars would get irritated and dismiss what you have to say. You made Speedy, one of the best regulars this board has had, of all posters irritated. Keep it coming. Your people skills have been amazing thus far.

i could care less if you read what i say or not, there is no rule for this forum that says I have to march in step with other Net fans and praise Jason Kidd as God.


No, but there is a rule of ruining the flow of conversation. Once again, you posted in a congratulatory thread to Kidd to specifically stick it to him. That's against a rule. Not to mention your first post had nothing of relevance to this thread, also against a rule.

If there's a rule I'm breaking, it's backseat moderating. Once again, it's looking out for you, MDollarBills (Sorry, jerseyjac). So smite me, MrDollarBills, for I have done wrong looking out for you.

No one ever said praise Kidd as God, but yo...calm down on the Kidd-hating. As a Board, it gets us nowhere! As a fan, it'll get you nowhere! Even as a person, it won't get you anywhere. I've seen guys like SIC ready to throw VC in a cage with five lions, but at the very least, he kept it to a minimum and in relevant threads like game threads. Not to mention, he always had a good explanation for hating him.

Sorry to find out that i have been making your posting life on RealGM so miserable because I have the audacity to NOT SHARE THE SAME OPINION AS YOURSELF...what the hell is wrong with you? :laugh:


Once again, there's a difference between sharing your opinions in relevant threads and shoving it in our faces for the thousandth time. You would think a person would learn that watching a same episode of comedy for months isn't funny after the thousandth time...

And for the record, i wasn't posting here in 2001, i just started posting here this year, and i was very supportive of Kidd up until he pulled his little stunt this season. My ill will towards him has to do with how he left here, i'm not disrespecting his accomplishments here, in fact, i think back very fondly about the "old" days and wish things turned out different, but it didn't, he did what he did, so i say what i say. If you don't like how i feel about the issue, tough!! I'll say how i feel and still respect other posters regardless of their opinion, so to further avoid these silly squabbles, i suggest you shut the hell up and do the same.


There's those people skills again. How many times have you used first person pronouns in this paragraph? I forgot, this entire board is all about you and for you to spread only your feelings without taking in what anyone else has to say.

You say you'll say how you feel and still respect other posters regardless of opinions? How do you continue that because you're not doing that! You've told Speedy to shut the hell up and get the hell out and you've accused me of addressing you in a certain way when I've told you several times before that is never my intention. You've completely ignored any advice or criticism given to you and because of that, you speak only on behalf of yourself. And do not say we've started this because it all goes down to your excessive Kidd rage. The best posters outside the moderators any team board has to offer are the ones that post with the entire sport and forum in mind. That's why enetric, Da_Kidd, jeff, BC, Speedy, SIC, Rolly, Mazz, netsfanbq, dach, etc (not in order of the greatest, so calm down guys) are always praised here.
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Post#28 » by Cruzeirao » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:34 am

After the game today i think we are very "fortunate" to have a coach like Frank and not Avery Johnson.

What a dumb coach.He should be fire today.

And comon Kidd. You're better than that.
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Post#29 » by dacher » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:05 am

Sheesh.. Dallas has to be having flashbacks of last year's bad playoff loss against GS. In many ways it looks pretty much the same -- in how one sided the beatings are.

Ah well.. Go Kidd!!!

Keep trying your best. If it's not good enough anymore, then it's not. That CP3 kid is not bad. ;-)
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Post#30 » by Serpo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:40 am

Well obviosly the Mavs thought they could cover Kidds offensive woes but apperantly they can't cause nobody but Dirk can score .

And i'm shocked how bad Josh Howard really is.
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Post#31 » by halfHAVOC » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:44 am

josh howard sucks this year because he stopped attacking the basket.

idk why ppl say hes better than RJ.

lmao this trade Feels alot better now doesn't it?
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Post#32 » by Rich Rane » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:56 am

halfHAVOC wrote:lmao this trade Feels alot better now doesn't it?


Says a fan of the team also watching the playoffs...

Did that kill the mood? I think that did it. :D

Seriously though for this season, I too am happy we have RJ and not J.Howa (A little play on J. Hova there. That's right. I'm "with it".)

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Post#33 » by Serpo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:00 am

This offseason should be interesting for both the Nets and the Mavs .

The Mavs can't win anything without a 2nd option OR a really strong bench. Right now they have neither.
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Post#34 » by Birth of the Cool » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:14 am

Serpo wrote:Well obviosly the Mavs thought they could cover Kidds offensive woes but apperantly they can't cause nobody but Dirk can score .

And i'm shocked how bad Josh Howard really is.


heck, they are even trying to hide Kidd on defense too. Kidd needs certain types of players to maximize his talents and an iso , halfcourt, slower tempo oriented offense isn't it.

I really like Josh Howard. He didn't need plays run for him. He had a decent shot, could score off the dribble, had a great nose for offensive rebounds, and played solid defense. Now he & RJ are going through the same thing in a way...they are both needed to score more & it has been detrimental to their all around games. Josh as the "3rd scoring option" is where he excels.
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Post#35 » by Rich Rane » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:25 am

Birth of the Cool wrote:I really like Josh Howard. He didn't need plays run for him. He had a decent shot, could score off the dribble, had a great nose for offensive rebounds, and played solid defense. Now he & RJ are going through the same thing in a way...they are both needed to score more & it has been detrimental to their all around games. Josh as the "3rd scoring option" is where he excels.


I think there's a difference. RJ has done well as a 1st scoring option. It just hindered the rest of our offense. Howard and Dirk don't fully utilize Kidd's talents in the open court, hence, Kidd's loss there and our non chalant attitude on trading him there. I'm not sure I quite follow on hiding Kidd on defense though. You're going to have to clear that up.
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Post#36 » by Serpo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:27 am

I don't know Howard's really starting to rely on his jumpshot way too much this season and it hasn't falling good for a while . To make matters worse i can't remember one game where he actually had a decent second half .

Don't get me wrong RJ isn't well suited in carrying a big scoring load as well but at least he will attack the basket with regularity and get to the line .
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Post#37 » by Birth of the Cool » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:45 am

Rich:
I'm not really comparing RJ / Josh directly but their situation where having to take more of the offensive burden has hurt other aspects of their game. I like em' both alot when their allowed to play their all around game.

On hiding Kidd, i'm talking only about the Hornets game 2 where they had Kidd guarding Peja because CP was doing whatever he wanted but to Kidd's defense there only a few guys in the entire league that can disrupt CP's game. Kidd is a streaky shooter and seems a bit self-conscious out there when he's open...he just needs to let it go. It seems he doesn't have the green light or doesn't want to shoot as much as he did with the Nets.

Serpo: I'd agree. I'm really talking about Josh of only a few years back that was just an all around solid role player. Haven't watched him much this year. Getting a jumpshot is very much a two sided blade...it opens up the floor for you as players now have to step a foot closer to you and stay honest so you have 1/2 step or more advantage if you drive BUT now that you have a jumpshot you think hey i'm open & it's far easier to chuck one up then expend energy on driving towards the rim. It's just human nature, everyone does it from playground ballers to NBA'ers. I'm a self confessed chucker.
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Post#38 » by Serpo » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:57 am

What i understand the least about Howard WTF is this guy not able to play in the 2nd half . He might have 20 Points on a decent % in the first half and will end the game with something like 24 on 8-20 or maybe even worse .

And this happens all the time .

Thats just not acceptable .
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Post#39 » by Rich Rane » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:07 am

Birth of the Cool wrote:Rich:
I'm not really comparing RJ / Josh directly but their situation where having to take more of the offensive burden has hurt other aspects of their game. I like em' both alot when their allowed to play their all around game.


I completely agree with you on Howard, but in RJ's case, I think he's done well. Offensively, I think he's had a great season. His job was always usually getting to the line or hitting the open shot when VC wasn't available for Kidd to kick it to. But as the 1st option, I think relying on someone like VC's playmaking abilities hurts us. Again, not disagreeing with you and I do see your point. I just feel RJ as a 1st option did well individually.

On hiding Kidd, i'm talking only about the Hornets game 2 where they had Kidd guarding Peja because CP was doing whatever he wanted but to Kidd's defense there only a few guys in the entire league that can disrupt CP's game. Kidd is a streaky shooter and seems a bit self-conscious out there when he's open...he just needs to let it go. It seems he doesn't have the green light or doesn't want to shoot as much as he did with the Nets.


Defensively, he had to take Peja as he was quicker with keeping up with him than someone like Howard. The problem is that Peja has a good 5 inches over him so he could just shoot over him or anyone guarding him, which is why he's such a valued shooter when healthy. I do agree though that whether Kidd on CP or Kidd on Peja, he doesn't win in either.

Offensively, I think Avery's offense is a bit like Frank's where the isos come in. I wouldn't say he ever did have the green light here, but the difference was even in the halfcourt here, he had great slashers if the lanes were open. Most plays however in Dallas go to the shooters. Kidd's primary job is to find them. Sadly, when they can't hit them, it's an even bigger mess, especially when you mentioned Howard taking more shots. I think Avery's not really hiding Kidd, but it's more of a stick with the plan type of thing like Frank.
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Post#40 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:44 pm

At this point, RJ is a superior offensive player to Josh Howard.


And i'm shocked Dallas is looking this bad, I picked them to win this series in 6 games, but Chris Paul is absolutely sonning Kidd out there and no one else on Dallas' roster seems worth a damn besides Dirk.

:laugh: eh, least we got a starter and an extra pick for their troubles...
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