Pistons are the most overrated team in last 30 years

[legacyinthemakin89c]

^^ It's Billups and Rasheed who play down the competition and those two 100% determine how far this team goes.

Maybe we are overrated, but the pistons fans aren't the one talking about the title from 4 years ago, or the near title against the spurs 3 years ago. The Pistons fans themselves haven't been talking about the past just now. But we proved the 04 title wasn't a fluke by taking the best team of the decade to the brink of a game 7. We were clearly equal teams back then, they just made shots when we didn't.

We are all getting the finger pointed to us because we expect to win a series against a 7th seed and that counts for arrogance? I guess Boston is arrogant because they expect to beat Atlanta, or the Lakers are arrogant because they expect to beat Denver? That just doesn't make any sense. If we didn't expect to win, that would just be weird of any winning team.

[Rerisen]

I don't think they were that highly rated to begin with so not sure they are terribly overrated. They have just been very good for a long time.

I will say one thing, the whole thing about them "relaxing" is laughable. That is just a cute way of saying they either are not as good as they thought or they choke a lot.

[CircleCitysportsfan]

Sorry but no- I think the most overrated team is a tie between Dallas and Phoenix

You took the words right off my keyboard. Atleast the Pistons won something.


The Pistons have won more games in NBA Finals series that they've lost than both those teams combined.

[INKtastic]

A couple of thoughts

- the pistons team that won the finals was a dominant team. Sure, the lakers had some internal issues, you have to give the Pistons credit for contributing to their implosion by completely disrupting them and creating self doubt in the lakers locker room.

- Even though the personnel is mostly the same now, there are two key changes.

1- They replaced a coach who coached for the playoffs with a coach who coaches for the regular season. The result is more regular season wins, more playoff struggles. This gets masked a bit as their regular season success usually gives them easy first round matchups.

2 - Ben Wallace left. He was the heart of their defense. They still have very good individual defenders, but miss the intimidation factor he gave them inside where teams became afraid to drive to the basket.

The last issue is their arrogance prevents them from recognizing that teams are beating them the same way they used to win. By disrupting what they want to do. Instead of recognizing this and adjusting for it, their is a constant belief that they only lost because they didn't played their "A" game. When you lose an isolated game, perhaps that is a reasonable theory, but when a team beats you 7 out of 13 playoff games and you still fail to give them any credit for your struggles, that's just arrogance.

[HarlemHeat37]

Overrated?

Took out Kobe and Shaq in 5 games. Had an absolutely dominating season 2 years ago. Took the Spurs to 7 games in the Finals and it took another lucky from Horry to beat them.

it wasn't a lucky shot..he hit MANY of them in the 4th and OT, including a huge and1 dunk..Horry was simply in a zone..

[Rust In Peace]

Sorry but no- I think the most overrated team is a tie between Dallas and Phoenix

Agreed. I don't think Detroit has ever had anywhere near the amount of hype the Suns have had the past few years.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

quote="lj4mvp"]A couple of thoughts

- the pistons team that won the finals was a dominant team. Sure, the lakers had some internal issues, you have to give the Pistons credit for contributing to their implosion by completely disrupting them and creating self doubt in the lakers locker room.

- Even though the personnel is mostly the same now, there are two key changes.

1- They replaced a coach who coached for the playoffs with a coach who coaches for the regular season. The result is more regular season wins, more playoff struggles. This gets masked a bit as their regular season success usually gives them easy first round matchups.

2 - Ben Wallace left. He was the heart of their defense. They still have very good individual defenders, but miss the intimidation factor he gave them inside where teams became afraid to drive to the basket.

The last issue is their arrogance prevents them from recognizing that teams are beating them the same way they used to win. By disrupting what they want to do. Instead of recognizing this and adjusting for it, their is a constant belief that they only lost because they didn't played their "A" game. When you lose an isolated game, perhaps that is a reasonable theory, but when a team beats you 7 out of 13 playoff games and you still fail to give them any credit for your struggles, that's just arrogance.[/quote]

We've given you credit time and time again this year. We have repeatedly said you guys were the main team we wanted to avoid and everything. Were sorry were not kissing your feet or the media makes it seem otherwise, but we've given you credit, what else do you want?

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it wasn't a lucky shot..he hit MANY of them in the 4th and OT, including a huge and1 dunk..Horry was simply in a zone..

He's just talking about the buzzer beater. Thats the shot that got him in the zone and caused our collapse in OT.

[JStockLivesOn]

I don't have any particular love for the Pistons and I think they get too much credit, but at the same time, CF appearances -- even in the East -- are impressive and noteworthy.

Actually, I guess the only thing that bothers me about the way pundits talk about the Pistons is that they make excuses for them, as if the only way they could ever lose a game is if they were **** around or taking the day off. They're a very good team, but not so good that the Sixers -- as an example -- can only beat them when they're not trying.

Outside of the excuse-making, they're probably not overrated. The ECF appearances are worth mentioning and indicative of a very solid run so far in the 21st century.

[INKtastic]

We've given you credit time and time again this year. We have repeatedly said you guys were the main team we wanted to avoid and everything. Were sorry were not kissing your feet or the media makes it seem otherwise, but we've given you credit, what else do you want?

We who, the fans or the players? If the players said that, i didn't see it. Last I heard them talk about Cleveland was after the playoffs when the players still didn't want to credit the cavs for being the better team or even on their level.

[Liqourish]

The players still didn't want to credit the cavs for being the better team or even on their level.

Just because the Cavs won didn't make them the better team. Everyone will admit that Detroit SHOULD have won that series. No doubt Cleveland won, but that doesn't suddenly make Cleveland a better team than they were, or Detroit a worse team than they were.

I doubt the Piston players are going to go out of there way to say inaccurate things just to comfort the Cleveland fans. They gave the Cavs credit for the win and talked about how great LeBron is a player... even spoke about the role players stepping up when it counted.

It was almost a year ago, let it go and move on in your life. My god.

[INKtastic]

I said "or even on their level". You don't win 7 out of 13 playoff games against a team over 2 season if you are not at least on their level. I see you are STILL in denial over it.

[LakerFanMan]

What does this have anything to do with the Pistons being overrated? Whether or not they give credit to other teams is pretty irrelevant.

In any event, the Pistons aren't overrated. They're rated right where they should be. A good team that only won one title.

[Liqourish]

What does this have anything to do with the Pistons being overrated? Whether or not they give credit to other teams is pretty irrelevant.

In any event, the Pistons aren't overrated. They're rated right where they should be. A good team that only won one title.

It doesn't. At all. The Cav fans just like to cry over the fact that the big bad Pistons don't flatter them and kiss thier ass like the media does. It's old and tiresome and doesn't belong in this discussion.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Ok well the Cavs think theyre the best team in the league. The Celtics think theyre the best team in the league as do the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, the Hornets, the Mavs, the Jazz and nearly every team in the league sans the bottom feeders. When in any sport are you ever going to hear competitors say the competition is better then they are?

You're being completly ridiculous to expect another team to say their competition is better then they are. I guess years of watching terrible teams will make for odd expectations and misunderstandings of what sports are really about.

[INKtastic]

again, I said "or on the same level" the pistons overrate themselves because they never accept that other teams are at their level, which is why they don't get better themselves.

[guy1]

They are a great team, but they are still overrated IMO. The threadstarter has a good point. Alot of the people that have predicted Detroit to get far in the playoffs have been pointing out their experiences as the reason, but their experience hasn't done s*** for them the past 2 years. They couldn't beat Cleveland or Miami the past 2 years, so what makes anyone think they will beat Boston, who are much better then those 2 teams? And alot of people all year have acted like the Pistons are a lock for the ECF this year and would be "shocked" if they don't make it that far. Why? If they lost to the Magic in the 2nd round, who unlike the Cavs don't need 1 player to do everything, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I still think the Pistons will make it to the ECF, but I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando beats them, cause thats what the Pistons have been known to do lately: Underachieve in the playoffs.

And people point out their title, which I am not forgetting about, but I think people don't realize they are not that same team. They don't have Larry Brown or Ben Wallace, which were two huge parts to that championship team and the Finals team the next year. People overrate them and treat them like their that same team, as if the Pistons didn't lose those two guys in the past few years.

Another thing, people have said Dallas and Phoenix are the most overrated teams. They are not nearly as overrated as Detroit. All 3 of those teams have been the same type of team for the past few years: Great regular season teams that underachieve in the playoffs. But Dallas and Phoenix gets blasted for it all the time, while Detroit's failures are ignored. IMO Detroit is by far the most overrated team in the NBA.

[Master Shake]

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You can't drink the koolaid and call this team overrated. You can't have it both way. I'm tied of hearing how the Pistons only lost to lesser opponents because they looked past them. Fact is, when they lose, its to the better team (Miami, Cleveland). And Miami suffered from injuries in 04-05 when the Pistons made the Finals.

If you want to bring injuries into it, the Pistons were battling injuries in the 05 Miami series as well. Rip Hamilton had a bad hamstring the whole series, and McDyess was suffering from that nasty calf injury, both played through it unlike D-Wade.

The Pistons also battled Rasheed Wallace's badly sprained ankle the last 2 years. The difference is Pistons players have the balls to play through it.

To call us overrated is a joke. Nobody has stated that we are the best. It is a proven fact that we a powerhouse, and a contender. We currently have the 2nd best record in the league, had a great record against the west, and of course we can restate the 5 straight conference finals, and 6 straight 50 win seasons. You can't call results, overrated. We're arguably the 3rd most successful franchise of this decade behind the Spurs and Lakers.

And to say we aren't as good without Larry and Ben is bogus. We're a very different team now, we aren't nearly as talented on the defensive end, but we've filled in our lost holes pretty well. Additions of guys like McDyess, Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson, Rodney Stuckey, and Arron Afflalo have changed the dynamics of our team.

No Pistons fan, player, or writer has stated they are better than the Celtics or Spurs etc. I don't see how we are overrated by our fans, and we sure as hell don't get that much media exposure. Almost every analyst is picking a team from the west or Boston to win it all. It just sounds like we have a lot of bitter fans with blind hate for the Pistons.

[DanTown8587]

I think the media overrates Detroit to an extent because every year but one Detroit craps the bed against a team they should beat. The way they "turn it on" you would think they go the finals every year, yet they haven't and they always fall short. If they get by Philly, a big if now they let Philly get a lot of confidence, there is no way they get past this Cleveland team.

[jab]

I think the media overrates Detroit to an extent because every year but one Detroit craps the bed against a team they should beat. The way they "turn it on" you would think they go the finals every year, yet they haven't and they always fall short. If they get by Philly, a big if now they let Philly get a lot of confidence, there is no way they get past this Cleveland team.

The same Media that picked the Bulls to win the East
Looks to me like the Bulls crapped the bed more times than not this season. Cleveland is not up next, try Orlando.

[legacyinthemakin89c]

Well they won't have to get past that Cleveland team because the Cavs will get dominated by Boston.