I've said it before and I'll say it again. KG doesn't deserve the MVP this year over Tim Duncan. If Duncan can't be in the conservation because of numbers, then KG can't.
Boston was 9-2 without KG. He is not the sole key to that team. If he alone could carry a team, Minnesota wouldn't have sucked so badly. Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, AND Kevin Garnett are the reason that team wins, as well as a bench that has blown people out when the stars missed games. KG only played 32.8 minutes per game. If he was so important to their success, why did they do so well with him gone and why did they need such few minutes from him?
I didn't agree with Dirk last year, and I don't agree with KG this year. MVP should not be the best player on the best team. It should be the most important player. That's Paul, Kobe and LeBron.
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NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Thing is, his numbers do match up to Kobe's, his PER, WS, WSAA.
Look at their numbers per 36, and it looks a lot closer, and when you factor in defensive impact, KG does have a compelling case.
Yeah but you can't just extrapolate numbers per x number of minutes. He didn't play those minutes, so in the long run over the course of the season, there's no way to tell how his body would've reacted to the additional pounding and wear and tear.
KG had a great season, but I agree with the other posters' comments relating it to TD. Duncan pretty much has the same type of year every year, but he gets overshadowed b/c he doesn't have the huge points and rebounding numbers, and b/c of Parker and Ginobili. THe same thing is going to happen this year, and frankly, Kobe and Paul put up huge scoring and assist numbers respectively, and most importnatly, whereas KG could take a night off basically and let Pierce and Allen win it for the Celts, Kobe and especially CP had to play well to win against a deeper conference.
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CB4MiamiHeat wrote:we punish him for his team going 7-2 without him, as to show that hes not THAT valuable..yet we dont reward Lebron for his team going 0-7 without him.
Because that reward is mitigated by the extent of injury, obviously.
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CB4MiamiHeat wrote:we punish him for his team going 7-2 without him, as to show that hes not THAT valuable..yet we dont reward Lebron for his team going 0-7 without him.
Umm... A guy in that body should be punished for NOT PLAYING 6 GAMES for a SPRAINED FINGER
We punish KG because he has 2 near superstar status players around him Ahh Ray Allen and Paul Pierce
We punish Lebron because of the reason above and because his team does not have enough success, his team doesn't even make the playoffs in the West!
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Big Bird wrote:Wow, I usually don't do these +1s, but hats off semi-sentient. That is one of the best, most thought out posts in quite a long time in this MVP farce.
Great post and I'm looking forward to a reply from SA37 too.
cheers
^Reply from SA37:
"But But blah blah I think Kobe isn't a leader, blah blah blah......Kobe doesn't have the impact CP3 does blah blah blah I'm not using facts to back up what Kobe hasn't done but I THINK this blah blah blah...."
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Fine, let's say that we want to include Kobe's offseason comments as part of this season. What exactly was he saying? He was basically saying that the team was not built to win a championship (and it wasn't) and his frustration stemmed from the fact that the Lakers were in rebuild mode, which was not acceptable to Kobe or any of Lakers fans. Saying that Kobe didn't believe in his teammates is partially true, but he was clearly referring to the team AT THAT TIME. Just to remind you, Smush Parker was still the starting PG, Kwame was still the starting center, and none of the other young players had really shown their worth at that time. What he said was the truth. I know I'd be pretty pissed off as a fan if we still had the same lineup coming into this season without making any kind of attempt at improving.
Having said that, in Kobe's exit interview he gave praise to several teammates, including Lamar Odom and a few others. Clearly he was not referring to the entire team, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the Lakers had some serious problems with the team they put together, primarily they had no starting PG and no true inside threat.
The fact remains Kobe did not believe in his teammates, and there were not significant changes in the summer for Kobe to feel any differently going into training camp.
The players showed Kobe their improvement throughout the season. But that doesn
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SA37 wrote:Kobe waited for his players to prove to him they were worth his time and effort; Paul and Garnett embraced their teammates from the jump.
KG demanded out of Minnesota because his team sucked. Its real easy to accept your teammates when they are future HOF'ers.
And Chris Paul embraces his teammates because they are good. He's got the best shooter in the game, the best rebounder in the game and an All-Star PF... Kobe had Smush, Cook and Kwame when he complained.
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Doctor MJ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Well if Random Guy says so, it must be. Some people have made some complex arguments, but Random Guy doesn't need to hear them to dismiss them because Random Guy is supersmart!
Some random mod lacks in reading comprehension. Complex arguments or not it doesn't not justify the blasphemy of this poll. It's no crime for one to declare Kobe the MVP this season but its obvious that today's fans are sheep and brainwashed by the media. Tthe media has been forcing 'kob mvp' down our throat and the typical statement 'greatest player to never win it" they are tryina give it to Kobe out of sympathy which is wrong wrong and wrong. CP3 had a better season than Kobe plain and simple. If NO orelans had won the west, I bet the next excuse would have been "he's too young got a lot of years in front of him lets give to mr. kobe'
smh.....and dude writing long posts has no point. You can rant all day, fact remain Kobe is not the mvp...did not have better season than Paul nor Lebron James....didn't receive all this hype until lakers traded for Gasol and the rest is history...tell me something i don't know...you can't have it both ways saying well i can't give it to KG cuz he missed games (which are few) and didn't have respectable stats....well kobe doesn't compared to Paul and the difference is only 1 game if we considered both team's recrod..
come on man, lots of absurd argument to declare kobe the mvp this season in which he clearly not...Chris Paul and that's that.
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Its not our fault that you were all so confident that hornets were locking 1st place and no way in hell believed they would fall. Well, now you ain't got no excuse. You said would give it to best in the west from either candidates and if neither made it to 1st, KG deserves it. Well there you have it all answered. Yall set the criteria yourselves.
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Who is "all" and "you all", and since when did everyone agree to this method of determining the winner? The answer is that everyone did not agree to that, and everyone did not say it was the determining factor, so to extend that to everyone is just pure nonsense.Kobay wrote:Its not our fault that you were all so confident that hornets were locking 1st place and no way in hell believed they would fall. Well, now you ain't got no excuse. You said would give it to best in the west from either candidates and if neither made it to 1st, KG deserves it. Well there you have it all answered. Yall set the criteria yourselves.
didn't receive all this hype until lakers traded for Gasol and the rest is history.
Kobe was being called MVP since the Lakers broke their 1 game "losing streak" and won their next two games of the season, so I don't know where you got this from.