Would you trade Smith or Horford for Redd?

tontoz · Post #1 » by **tontoz** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:12 pm

I think the Bucks are ready to blow it up and start over and I think Redd could be had for Smith/Horfor + bibby (for salary reasons). JJ easily has the size to play the 3 which would move Marvin to the bench. Our lack of offensive firepower around JJ would be alleviated quickly.

mr_grabb · Post #2 » by **mr_grabb** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:20 pm

dumb move. Moving Smith or Horford AND Bibby would bring us back to the old crappy Hawks we were: No point guard, and no toughness. Can't believe a Hawks fan posted this idea.

lunarblues · Post #3 » by **lunarblues** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:22 pm

it would give us more firepower but we wouldn't have a point guard again. i could see if acie showed ALOT of promise in the coming season, but we might be better off holding on to bibby. redd is useless without a point guard getting him the ball in stride.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #4 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:22 pm

Horford no. Smith maybe in a sign and trade+Zaza but with Bibby no. Bibby+Marvin is one I'd definitely do.

JoshB914 · Post #5 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:26 pm

Absolutely not. Redd is Joe Johnson with zero defensive ability or desire.

Post #6 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:28 pm

tontoz wrote:I think the Bucks are ready to blow it up and start over and I think Redd could be had for Smith/Horfor + bibby (for salary reasons). JJ easily has the size to play the 3 which would move Marvin to the bench. Our lack of offensive firepower around JJ would be alleviated quickly.

I really like Redd and think he's perfect for our team. I don't trust Joe Johnson at the 3 because I doubt he provides us with the intensity we would need on defense. Marvin attacks the basket and still provides us with some rebounding and I just don't see Joe giving us that.

conleyorbust · Post #7 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:28 pm

This is a definitive "no" for me.

On a personal level, Redd is one of my least favorite players.

On a basketball level, we'd be trading a solid interior defender for a straight up sieve. I guess if the move was accompanied by signing Kwame/Diop to fill in at C it wouldn't be as bad but I'd much rather keep our guys in the frontcourt and find a guy that can catch and shoot + play some D at the 3.

I also have questions about how he would do next to a guy like Joe. Redd has never demonstrated the ability to be a "team player", which isn't to say he couldn't but I don't know if its worth the risk.

We aren't in a position where we need to make a trade like this. Milwaukee is in the weak bargaining position because they are shopping a one dimensional player with a huge contract who has proven that he can't lead a team.

Salaries would be tough but I'd offer Marv/Chil + Speedy (filler) + Zaza.

The Bucks board seems to be willing to blow that team up, many don't like Redd's style of play and he has a big contract. His value isn't near Smith/Horford level right now.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #8 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:28 pm

lunarblues wrote:it would give us more firepower but we wouldn't have a point guard again. i could see if acie showed ALOT of promise in the coming season, but we might be better off holding on to bibby. redd is useless without a point guard getting him the ball in stride.

I honestly don't think you would need a point guard with both Redd and Joe It's not like Redd is Kyle Korver or Peja. Both Redd and Joe score most of their points off the dribble. However it's too good to be true. Redd has 3 years left at a monster salary and it may take more than we think to get him.

lunarblues · Post #9 » by **lunarblues** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:30 pm

you do. redd is alot like peja and korver. even his two point shots are set up. he might get more than 10 pts on his own but he isn't going to get 20. not night in and night out.

killbuckner · Post #10 » by **killbuckner** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:33 pm

I think that JJ and Redd overlap far too much.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #11 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:37 pm

lunar....only 54% of Redd's shots are assisted which is not as good as Joe's but still very good for a 1st option. He also shoots a good number of free throws. I'm also not buying the "no defense" card...especially considering who our starting point guard is. I'd venture to say that there is no way that Redd is a worse defender than Bibby. Redd would be a huge upgrade over Bibby or Marvin IMO.

tontoz · Post #12 » by **tontoz** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:45 pm

mr_grabb wrote:dumb move. Moving Smith or Horford AND Bibby would bring us back to the old crappy Hawks we were: No point guard, and no toughness. Can't believe a Hawks fan posted this idea.

We don't have much of a pg with Bibby. He is basically a shooting guard playing the point. He doesn't create off the dribble. he doesn't play d.

Acie's only big weakness has really been his outside shooting but that would be less of a problem with Redd and JJ at the 2/3.

tontoz · Post #13 » by **tontoz** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:50 pm

HMFFL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I really like Redd and think he's perfect for our team. I don't trust Joe Johnson at the 3 because I doubt he provides us with the intensity we would need on defense. Marvin attacks the basket and still provides us with some rebounding and I just don't see Joe giving us that.

I didn't mention anything about trading Marvin.

conleyorbust · Post #14 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:55 pm

HoopsGuru25 wrote:lunar....only 54% of Redd's shots are assisted which is not as good as Joe's but still very good for a 1st option. He also shoots a good number of free throws. I'm also not buying the "no defense" card...especially considering who our starting point guard is. I'd venture to say that there is no way that Redd is a worse defender than Bibby. Redd would be a huge upgrade over Bibby or Marvin IMO.

Not Marvin, Bibby certainly. We could do Horford+Bibby or Smith SnT + Zaza to match contracts, right?

So our lineups would look like:

Acie
Redd
Joe
Josh
Andersen (or someone)

or

Bibby
Redd
Joe
Al
Diop

I don't think either of those beats what we could role out next season without making the trade.

Bottom line for me is that Smith is already a better basketball player than Redd and Al has the potential to get there.

The reason to move Al or Josh is to make the team more complete but I don't see a Redd/Johnson/whoever we keep core being as productive on both sides of the floor down the line.

Post #15 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:56 pm

tontoz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I didn't mention anything about trading Marvin.

How do you see Marvin fitting into the system if we acquired Redd? How would it makes sense to have Marvin come off our bench? I only see that lowering his value and we don't fully know how his game would react to it. Obviously I'm only assuming your looking at him coming off our bench because it's not like you mentioned it. :wink:

JoshB914 · Post #16 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:57 pm

I never thought I'd say this, but I think our starting 5 is set for next year. All we need is a a couple of pieces off the bench and I think we could be a good team.

NDaATL · Post #17 » by **NDaATL** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:59 pm

HMFFL wrote:How do you see Marvin fitting into the system if we acquired Redd? How would it makes sense to have Marvin come off our bench? I only see that lowering his value and we don't fully know how his game would react to it. Obviously I'm only assuming your looking at him coming off our bench because it's not like you mentioned it.

That's why the only way I'd trade for Redd is if it was Marvin/Bibby. Redd isn't valuable enough as of now to obtain Smith and especially Horford.

That's actually not a bad deal for the Bucks considering what other top players like Vince/Iverson/Gasol went for.

tontoz · Post #18 » by **tontoz** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:01 pm

HMFFL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How do you see Marvin fitting into the system if we acquired Redd? How would it makes sense to have Marvin come off our bench? I only see that lowering his value and we don't fully know how his game would react to it. Obviously I'm only assuming your looking at him coming off our bench because it's not like you mentioned it.

JJ and Redd can't play the whole game. When Redd goes out JJ can play the 2 and Marvin the 3. When JJ goes out obviously Marvin can play the 3.

Not to mention that Marvin is currently spending a fair amount of time at the 4 right now even with Horford and Smith on the team.

A trade of Marvin/Bibby for Redd would obviously be a best case scenario but i have to think they could do better than that.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #19 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:06 pm

Redd/Mason for Bibby/Marvin works on the trade checker.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #20 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:08 pm

NDaATL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's why the only way I'd trade for Redd is if it was Marvin/Bibby. Redd isn't valuable enough as of now to obtain Smith and especially Horford.

That's actually not a bad deal for the Bucks considering what other top players like Vince/Iverson/Gasol went for.

Exactly. It's not like some one is going to offer a top 5 pick or a better prospect(let's say Aldridge or Gay)for Redd than Marvin.