Judgement Day - Allen Iverson

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Post#21 » by ilikecb4 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:49 pm

PLayers on Denver don't compliment AI good

AI is one dimensional, he's a great scorer, not a good defender except team defense (steals), his man to man D is bad.

Carmelo is the same way. So is JR Smith.

Camby can't score downlow, Nene is still not in gae shape, K-Mart has never had a good post gae, he's a dunker, garbage points guy

So really look at 2001 Philly team , it's made to complient iverson

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Post#22 » by The Rebel » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:50 pm

SendEm wrote:Carmelo stinks. He is the worst defender in the NBA. Has anyone EVER seen Carmelo hustle and get some floor burns? He's a very overrated player that just contributes on offense by shooting jump shots and occasionally driving. Carmelo is the new Glenn Robinson.


Typical AI fan, why is it always his teammates, coaches, and the GMS fault when he fails, and of course extra credit when he has any success? When does he share some of the blame and some of the blame and some of the credit?
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Post#23 » by The MVPlaya » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:52 pm

JordansBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

It's not Iverson's team, it is Melo's team even AI said that when he came. Thus the success of the team falls on the shoulders of Melo more than AI and with the decisions Melo has made the past two years you can see why the team has not succeeded. When your so called franchise player gets into a fight and then gets suspended 15 games that hampers the team growth. Also when you are getting DUI's right before the playoffs that doesn't help either.

As for AI, well show a player in the league now who has performed as well as him in the playoffs other than Shaq or Duncan? In fact, in one postseason alone Iverson scored 40+ 6x. No other current player has more than that for a career in the postseason.


AI said it's Melo's team but when they got settled in he said it would be "our" team. And regardless of what you say about Melo, we weren't winning a series against the Spurs, or Lakers this year, if those things never happend.

What does Iverson doing in Philly have anything to do with NOW? Nobody is saying he hasn't put up great numbers. T-Mac has put up great numbers in the playoffs too.

Still doesn't change the fact that anybody with a brain would take Kobe, KG, LeBron, Chris Paul, and a few others over Iverson to win them a playoff series this year.
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Post#24 » by littlekidlover5 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:11 pm

MagicMadness wrote:The west is just stacked. They're a #8 seed with 50 wins.

Losing this series, if it were to happen, is not Denver's fault. They're not expected to win it. Almost every single west team in the playoffs this year would have a good chance of advancing to the conference finals in the east.


Obviously AI and Denver both have their flaws, but I agree this is the real story here. Losing to the eventual champions and a team that is 22-5 with their current lineup doesn't discredit AI's career in my eyes.
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Post#25 » by airchibundo507 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:12 pm

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It's not Iverson's team, it is Melo's team even AI said that when he came. Thus the success of the team falls on the shoulders of Melo more than AI and with the decisions Melo has made the past two years you can see why the team has not succeeded. When your so called franchise player gets into a fight and then gets suspended 15 games that hampers the team growth. Also when you are getting DUI's right before the playoffs that doesn't help either.

As for AI, well show a player in the league now who has performed as well as him in the playoffs other than Shaq or Duncan? In fact, in one postseason alone Iverson scored 40+ 6x. No other current player has more than that for a career in the postseason.


LMAO...AI said that this is melo's team when he came to denver? AI also said that he wanted melo to win the scoring title this year...How well has that prediction turned out?

melo is a 23 year player dealing with immaturity issues while on the verge of superstardom. iverson is the 32-year-old veteran "superstar" who is desperate for a "championship". doesn't AI dominate the ball more than anyone on the nuggets' squad (and the NBA for that matter...along with nash and paul)? AI has taken the reigns of the nuggets NO MATTER what he says...and he is severly lacking in the leadership category. that's part of the problem as to why the nuggets are inconsistent and always struggle.
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Post#26 » by airchibundo507 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:15 pm

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AI said it's Melo's team but when they got settled in he said it would be "our" team. And regardless of what you say about Melo, we weren't winning a series against the Spurs, or Lakers this year, if those things never happend.

What does Iverson doing in Philly have anything to do with NOW? Nobody is saying he hasn't put up great numbers. T-Mac has put up great numbers in the playoffs too.

Still doesn't change the fact that anybody with a brain would take Kobe, KG, LeBron, Chris Paul, and a few others over Iverson to win them a playoff series this year.


I have never seen a player stagnate an offense like allen iverson before?

do you realize why we had a carter-iverson backcourt? because AI is the idiot who can't pass the ball on offense...and we were scared of him chucking the ball out of the building...despite the fact that the lakers exploited the carter/iverson and radmonovic/walton match-up...the first game AI starts at PG and the nuggets are held to a pitiful 12 assists in the entire game (we had that much in the first half of Game 1). wonder why?

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Post#27 » by SendEm » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:09 pm

If AI were losing with Brandon Roy as his teammate then AI haters would have a point, but Carmelo is just a shooter/scorer. I remember that everyone in the world had placed Carmelo into the overrated bag up until he opened the 06-07 season averaging 35ppg. Carmelo just scores. How could you consider yourself a basketball mind and not see that Melo and AI wouldn't win a CHIP without some "magic" involved? Now if AI were traded to Portland I believe that AI would find his CHIP but Melo and AI could never work because AI is a midget on defense and Melo is just a lazy slob on defense.
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Post#28 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:26 pm

SendEm wrote:Carmelo stinks. He is the worst defender in the NBA. Has anyone EVER seen Carmelo hustle and get some floor burns? He's a very overrated player that just contributes on offense by shooting jump shots and occasionally driving. Carmelo is the new Glenn Robinson.


Funny post , great joke :rofl:


Oh what your not joking, :crazy:
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Post#29 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:32 pm

SendEm wrote:If AI were losing with Brandon Roy as his teammate then AI haters would have a point, but Carmelo is just a shooter/scorer. I remember that everyone in the world had placed Carmelo into the overrated bag up until he opened the 06-07 season averaging 35ppg. Carmelo just scores. How could you consider yourself a basketball mind and not see that Melo and AI wouldn't win a CHIP without some "magic" involved? Now if AI were traded to Portland I believe that AI would find his CHIP but Melo and AI could never work because AI is a midget on defense and Melo is just a lazy slob on defense.



Brandon Roy will never be the player 'Melo is.
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Post#30 » by CB4MiamiHeat » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:36 pm

he led his team to the best record in 20 years...
people said AI/Melo wouldnt work..well the are #2 and #3 in the league in scoring..and very efficient too.

That team is not stacked..
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Post#31 » by AIfan3 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:05 pm

I love AI but the truth is the truth, Denver is a BAD team.. And he's one of the main reasons why.. I don't expect them to win a playoff until they start to take playing defense serisly..
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Post#32 » by SendEm » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:10 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




Brandon Roy will never be the player 'Melo is.


Melo JUST fills the basket at a big time level. Melo is a lazy player outside of offense and he doesn't drive nearly enough anymore. He's already showing me what his future is going to be RIGHT NOW. Melo is going to be a fat jump shooter. Melo has been getting hid on defense his whole career by his coaches and most basketball fans only pay attention to the offensive player so if Melo doesn't end up on another players highlight reel then it goes COMPLETELY unnoticed that he is blowing his defensive assignment, NOT providing help defense and NOT getting floor burns. Melo is too much of a "super star" for his own good and his team's effectiveness.


I'll take Brandon Roy a 6'5" a playmaking, unselfish multifaceted combo guard over a true SF that cant guard anyone...Most good players in the NBA have a machup advantage on Melo's defense. Melo is too slow of foot on defense to guard Brandon Roy and he's too short to guard Dwight Howard. But on offense is where his his body becomes an advantage whether it be posting up Brandon Roy who driving past Dwight Howard. Bottomline, defense wins championships. The NBA is filled with talented offensive players, but you have something special when you have a NBA ALL STAR player that is good at playing offense AND defense like Brandon Roy.
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Post#33 » by big123 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:23 am

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Melo JUST fills the basket at a big time level. Melo is a lazy player outside of offense and he doesn't drive nearly enough anymore. He's already showing me what his future is going to be RIGHT NOW. Melo is going to be a fat jump shooter. Melo has been getting hid on defense his whole career by his coaches and most basketball fans only pay attention to the offensive player so if Melo doesn't end up on another players highlight reel then it goes COMPLETELY unnoticed that he is blowing his defensive assignment, NOT providing help defense and NOT getting floor burns. Melo is too much of a "super star" for his own good and his team's effectiveness.


I'll take Brandon Roy a 6'5" a playmaking, unselfish multifaceted combo guard over a true SF that cant guard anyone...Most good players in the NBA have a machup advantage on Melo's defense. Melo is too slow of foot on defense to guard Brandon Roy and he's too short to guard Dwight Howard. But on offense is where his his body becomes an advantage whether it be posting up Brandon Roy who driving past Dwight Howard. Bottomline, defense wins championships. The NBA is filled with talented offensive players, but you have something special when you have a NBA ALL STAR player that is good at playing offense AND defense like Brandon Roy.


I'd rather have Roy as well at this point.
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Post#34 » by ilikecb4 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:39 am

Carmelo is a very bad defender. not because he's got no ability, but because he doesn't try

his D stinks and so does Iversons and JR Smiths

that whole denver team is just Enver
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Post#35 » by tkb » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:48 am

Denver lack of depth? I disagree. I think they're one of the deepest teams in the league when healthy.

Their biggest problem is their mental game, the perimeter defense, and their coaching. I'd like to see Larry Brown coach this team, if he's willing to coach AI again.

The Nuggets aren't built perfectly around either star, but it could be a lot worse. Camby is a type of player that fits VERY well with AI. As does Nene. They could use a big pass first PG who's solid defensively.
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Post#36 » by KobeFarmarEra » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:56 am

Kobe >>>> AI
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Post#37 » by Ballings7 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:03 am

tkb wrote:Their biggest problem is their mental game, the perimeter defense, and their coaching. I'd like to see Larry Brown coach this team, if he's willing to coach AI again.


And reliable 3PT shooting. They need 2 or 3 relatively good, pure, legit shooters. They've been a below-average 3PT shooting team for some years now.
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