Would you make this trade?

[is1531]

The 76ers trade the Sonics the 16th pick for the Sonics 24th pick and their ist 3 picks in round 2.Would you make this trade?

[bennith13]

Maybe. I mean I would really have to consider it. I would have to wait until the draft to make the deal though.

[yearsago]

Depends. If someone falls out of the lottery...and the Sonics get Beasley...

If a collison/augustine/westbrook is still there..I might trade the 2nd rounder...

[D5150]

a late first and 3 second rounders for a mid first? i dont know. if there was someone at 16 that seattle really wanted then maybe. but still, at 16 you are not assured a better prospect than at 24.

[Downtown]

I would definitely make this trade. I've always said it's quality over quantity. I also don't think Seattle can afford to bring in more than two rookies next season anyways with them already being a young team.

[HeavyP]

I make this trade in a second.

[OzThunder]

moving up 8 places and losing 3 second round picks? i don't think its worth it. We lose 3 chances to take a punt on some talent that could prove to be a star (you never know) or even a solid player. I don't think thats worth 8 places. Unless as someone else said there's someone we really want, but i'd rather use wilcox, watson, ridnour or someone like that to trade up.

[Sweezo]

If we drafted three players in the second round...maybe one of them makes the roster? I make this deal in the second.

[BenjaminH]

Of course, I would wait until draft day. But I would probably make this trade. The only reason I wouldn't would if there were no players we liked at number 16. That is, if there were no players that are *clearly* better than late first round / early second round players. (For example, if the best player available were another project center, like Kosta Koufos.) If that were to be the case, then I would say that it would be better to draft more players, have them compete in training camp, and hope one of them is a steal. But, again, I would all but certainly make this trade.

[djthesonicsfan]

I probably don't make this trade because I think there are two better alternatives.

1. Keeping the picks
The Sonics are not a deep team. There are only 5 or 6 guys worth keeping at this point - K Durant, J Green, N Collison & J Petro for sure. C Wilcox & E Watson maybe. M Sene is out next year. And it doesn't look like R Swift is going to make it back. Hopefully we can just release A Griffin. D Marshall's only value is an expiring. There's nothing left to say about L Ridnour. And D Wilkins has about as loose a grip on the eighth spot in the rotation as is theorectically possible. I'm not seeing much player quality difference between the #16 & #24 picks in this year's draft. Especially considering the Sonics' need. And this is a pretty deep draft. It would not be unreasonable to expect that #24, #32 & #43 all turn out to be NBA players. Especially #24 & #32. Or at the very least keep the bench warm at a salary cap friendly price.

2. Making another trade
While J Petro developed nicely last season, in order for the Sonics to begin winning regularly they have get a quality starting center. A #16 pick is not going to do that. Personally, I would figure out how to target E Okafor. He'd be a great fit on the Sonics. I think a package including C Wilcox, J Petro, D Marshall (expiring, only to make salaries work), #24 & #32 this year and San Antonio's first pick next year should be enough to initiate a sign/trade converstation with a Bobcat team probably not in a position to pay E Okafor the kind of money it's going to take to keep him.

[Ex-hippie]

I'm all for leveraging the second rounders to trade up (quality over quantity, indeed), but all three of them? I don't know, I would think trading two of them, or maybe even just one of them (our own, which is practically a first-rounder but doesn't trigger a guaranteed contract) should do the trick. Just because we have a surplus doesn't mean we need to throw them all out the window. Even if we don't have the roster space for all of those players (an iffy proposition, as dj pointed out), we can always do things like exchange the extra picks for future picks, draft guys to stash in Europe for a while, etc. etc.

[S0yb3anB0y]

Sonics are not a deep team. Nuff said.

[BenjaminH]

As for depth, that can also be achieved via trades or free agency. So, yes, holding on to the trades could help our bench, but there are other ways. In any case, I don't think holding on to all three of them is worth it. At best, I would guess, one or two of them could turn into a fringe rotation player.

As for trading the trades, yes, that is a good idea. I should have added that when I made my earlier post. I would not do this if we could use the picks to make a good trade. That is why I would wait until draft day. But assuming that we cannot, then I would probably trade up for the 16th pick.

[whitedolemite]

It would really depend on who's available at #16, but as of now that seems like a lot to give to move up 8 spots in the second half of the first round. #24 and #32 for #16 seems pretty fair though. There are some intriguing foreign players projected in the second round that could be left in Europe for a few year w/o creating a logjam on the roster (after all Presti is Spurs guy).

[is1531]

It would really depend on who's available at #16, but as of now that seems like a lot to give to move up 8 spots in the second half of the first round. #24 and #32 for #16 seems pretty fair though. There are some intriguing foreign players projected in the second round that could be left in Europe for a few year w/o creating a logjam on the roster (after all Presti is Spurs guy).

The original deal was 16 for 24 an the ist 3 picks from Seattle in round 2. Philly would not take a late 1 and a early 2 for number 16.

[BenjaminH]

To make a slightly tangential point, how about Carl Landry? I already lauded him in another thread - he was the hero of last night's game. He is simply an incredible offensive rebounder and hustle player, (kind of in the Maxiell, Milsap and Barkley mold). But his offense isn't that bad either. That block last night was, in my opinion, the best defensive play so far in the playoffs, in a game which was, in my opinion, the second best game so far in the playoffs. In hindsight, we shouldn't have traded him. Even at the time, we knew probably would't get equal value for the 31st overall pick. Sure, there was no place for him on our roster, so I kind of understand it. But, I really wish we held on to him.

[whitedolemite]

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The original deal was 16 for 24 an the ist 3 picks from Seattle in round 2. Philly would not take a late 1 and a early 2 for number 16.

I get it, I just think that's too much to give up. I don't think there's much of a drop off in talent between #16 and #24 (or #24 and #32 for that matter) so I wouldn't be for that move. In my mind there's a higher probability that the sonics would get a contributor from #24, #32, #43 & #50 than #16 alone. The only way I'd even want to trade up at all would be if someone they've graded out highly drops.

[is1531]

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I get it, I just think that's too much to give up. I don't think there's much of a drop off in talent between #16 and #24 (or #24 and #32 for that matter) so I wouldn't be for that move. In my mind there's a higher probability that the sonics would get a contributor from #24, #32, #43 & #50 than #16 alone. The only way I'd even want to trade up at all would be if someone they've graded out highly drops.

The Sonics also have to take into consideration they have 2 ist round picks in 2009 and 2010. They also have a 2nd round pick form the Nets in 2009. Seattle will be way under the cap in 2009-2010. The Sonics do not need all these picks.They will probably sign a free agent in 2009-2010. The Sonics would prefer 2 impact players. Derek Rose would be the ist player the Sonics would take. Then the Sonics could pick up Speights to play starting Pf.It's fair for both teams

The lineup would look like this:

Durant SG
Rose PG
Chris Wilcox C
Green SF
Speights PF

Collison off the bench


Nobody in round 2 in the 2007 draft made a major impact. Big baby was pretty good for Boston. Here is the evidence.

http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2007

[djthesonicsfan]

The Sonics also have to take into consideration they have 2 ist round picks in 2009 and 2010. They also have a 2nd round pick form the Nets in 2009. Seattle will be way under the cap in 2009-2010. The Sonics do not need all these picks.They will probably sign a free agent in 2009-2010. The Sonics would prefer 2 impact players. Derek Rose would be the ist player the Sonics would take. Then the Sonics could pick up Speights to play starting Pf.It's fair for both teams. The lineup would look like this:

Durant SG
Rose PG
Chris Wilcox C
Green SF
Speights PF
Collison off the bench

Nobody in round 2 in the 2007 draft made a major impact. Big baby was pretty good for Boston.

No way C Wilcox plays center. Unless we make a trade the rotation probably is...

Rookie PG, K Durant, J Green, C Wilcox, N Collison
E Watson, J Petro, D Wilkins, Rookie Big

Why pick another PF with a game kind of similar to C Wilcox's? By that I mean all kinds of athleticsm but little commitment to defense. So ya, M Spreights might be available at #16, but frankly I'd probably prefer a tougher guy committed to playing defense, rebounding & protecting K Durant. Guys like Richard Hendrix, DJ White & Joey Dorsey. They'll be around at #32. Which leaves #24 to get a decent SG. Someone like Brandon Rush or Courtney Lee. Pretty sure picking up two solid players like that is better than one Marreese Speights or a Darrell Arthur.

But, like a number of others have already mentioned, if a player like Kevin Love somehow managed to fall to the #16 spot then I'd make the trade in an instant.

[is1531]

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If Love is available at 16, Philadelphia would not make the deal. He might go as high as 8 to Charlotte.