San Antonio Spurs vs Phoenix Suns : Game 3

[ss1986v2]

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Keep Nash and Amare.. if we find something good for Shaq then ship him but Amare is our future right now.


**TRADING Diaw is a MUST.

i think the question would be "who would take him?" i mean, its not like the suns would be selling high on him. hes shown hes about as soft as charmin, and is still owed 36 mil over the next 4 years. at best he has neutral to marginally positive value (someone might think that in the right situation, he might have a better chance), but even then you probably arent going to see much better offers than expirings plus a late pick. maybe a marginal prospect (jj redick type) at best. is that enough value?

[mkot]

No f**king point to rebuild now. We don't f**king have our draft picks, folks, Seattle has our draft picks UNPROTECTED.

Just keep the team entertaining, continue to sell tickets, and hopefully we make the playoffs. After we get bounced in the 1st round again, Nash and Shaq will be off the book and then we'll start over with Amare and LB (if we keep him).

[Suns_fan_2007]

I'm still going to be hopeful for game 4, but realistically, it's over.

The window has all but closed.

It was a great run while it lasted. Thank you D'Antoni, for a few great years. Close but no cigar.

We've got to move on without you.

[rsavaj]

If D'Antoni gets fired, all we CAN do is rebuild. This team is so screwed if they have to learn a new 'system'....I don't want to wach them get owned in the reg season too.

I don't mind firing Kerr though.

[a-rod]

I'm sure the last thing you guys want to hear is a bunch of clich

[albasuna]

It sucks that we are just stuck right now... we don't have enough capspace to sign a high impact player. This is just horrible.

[|||-Abaddon-|||]

I dont know --- Im rather optimistic --- not about the series --- but our team in general.

We have all the components to win, we just need a jolt to get us over the hump.

Its tough to assemble a new team mid-season and get it all done --- a Shaq trade requires meshing --- its just not possible to do.

1) Get a defensive orientated coach with reliable offensive schemes (JVG?)
2) Nash has to become more of a scorer/shooter
3) Offense has to get run through Shaq more --- he can still score!
4) Amare needs to develop a back to the basket and a better face up post game --- he sometimes seems useless on the floor without Nash.
5) Defense is top priority! We need top tier defenders at the guard positions.


Basically, its been dissapointing. But there is still hope for next year, if we get booted out. I think if we have a full season to mesh our games together, we become a better team overall.

We have to make some new aquisitions, acquire some tough nosed defenders at a bargain price (Ruben Patterson?). We need a facelift, and it has to start by toughening this team up, and that means getting rid of Diaw and all the other soft players on this team.

[albasuna]

Pick up Ruben Patterson and drop Diaw? we don't really want to get older here. But I do know what you mean and you do bring up strong points. It's gonna be hard to just strip the identity of the Suns and implamant a new one. Also Nash has never played in a set offense, it's always been a helter skelter run n gun type of offense.

Anyways I hope the Suns don't give up on Sunday. I would love to see us playing in San Antonio next saturday hahahah.

[BringinDaRuckus]

Well there is no excuses this time around. So far the games have been called much better than the previous years. We simply cannot get over the hump. I am still going to rooting for the team. Even on Sunday. Even if we get blown out.

I will also still be rooting for the Suns even during any rebuilding process. I remember going to a game after we dumped Marbury and Penny. Joe Johnson was still new and so was Amare and Barbs. I could hear a pin drop at the arena, there was no one there at the home games.

I am Suns fan for life. I would like to see them win ONE ship during my lifetime though.

[NaplesSunsFan]

You will see a championship Ruckus.. It will come. Like someone before said, it was fun to watch while it lasted. I just /really/ hope the franchise learns from its mistakes.

We are not the only ones who are idiots. ESPN's experts picked the Suns to win like 8 out of 10.. Brussard and somebody else picked the Spurs.

Everyone who claimed scrutinizing the coach was an 'awful' post should reevaluate their outlook on this team.

GO HORNETS!

If Boston or SA wins I'll puke.

[NaplesSunsFan]

[quote="|||-Abaddon-|||" and that means getting rid of Diaw and all the other soft players on this team.[/quote]

I'm not sure Diaw is the problem here.

If we claim Diaw is a roleplayer/chemistry guy, we cannot blame him for any failures. If the gameplan begins or ends with Boris, we are in trouble either way.

It's gotta begin with the admission that it's possible Nash has fallen off to the point where he's no longer capable of being a starting PG that leads his team to the finals.

Start blasting me.. NOW!

[Suns_fan_2007]

...Everyone who claimed scrutinizing the coach was an 'awful' post should reevaluate their outlook on this team.
....

Yea I took a lot of heat for my thread on D'Antoni.

I was really hoping to be proven wrong. Being right brings me zero satisfaction.

[BurningHeart]

Don't you guys realize that you can play all the f'n defense you want, but if they keep hitting their shots, there's nothing you can do about it?

I mean seriously now. What the hell are you gonna do when you force Tony Parker to shoot runners or jumpers instead of laying it up like Games 1 & 2 and he's making them? What the hell are you gonna do about Ginobili nailing almost every three he takes?

All these people everywhere clamoring for an inside presence and a change to the "run n' gun" (which made this team whatever the hell it was in the FIRST PLACE) got exactly what they wanted. The Suns look like ****, and we're about to be eliminated. You don't just change EVERYTHING that got you to prominence in the league, especially when your run n' gun isn't DIRECTLY what caused you to fail in previous years.

This team never felt like a special playoff team this year at any point anyway.

You can only hope that they come out and become the Boston Red Sox of the NBA, but there's nothing to throw my hat on tonight.

[co_laper]

I'm not sure if Nash is declining. I think it's more of a factor of having Shaq and the team being slower and less dependable on him. To me, Nash right now looks more like the Mavs's Nash. Still a very good playmaker/shooter but not an MVP caliber player. Playing uptempo utilize the best of Nash's skills. Slower tempo like this makes him simply a very good player.


I really think the Suns are doomed now. If you got beat in the 1st round, what's next? You can't come back with the same team. If you don't come back with the same team, you're basically starting to rebuild. Not from scratch thou.. But it's still rebuilding and it means changing the identity of the team. I personally say keep Nash and Amare. Shaq should be traded elsewhere IMO. If all Amare benefits from Shaq is him moving to PF, then get Theo Ratliff to play Center. Get someone who's defensive minded to play Center. Heck, Ben Wallace might be better for the Suns than Shaq. But it's gonna be a total rebuild. have a new Center. replace your SF cause Hill shouldn't start. And bring a defensive minded perimeter player. Raja's not gonna cut it.

Hire Larry Brown. Kerr is from San Antonio and loves Pop. Larry Brown is Pop's mentor. It's only right that Kerr brings Larry in and teach Amare a thing or two about being a defensive player. It's the best thing for Amare. If Amare learns to play fundamental defense, he'd be a superstar. he'd be in the same breath as Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, James. It's his defense that puts him in a level below those guys.

[|||-Abaddon-|||]

You have to see, helter-skelter and fast paced basketball does not win playoff games.

We need to implement a set offense - or - get Shaq to man the second unit with Barbosa. I just dont see how Shaq will work with Nash on the floor.

In addition, Nash just doesnt have the athleticism of Chris Paul. Chris Paul scores equally as much he distributes, and it is his scoring ability that opens opps for his entire team. Nash's game becomes predictable, the Spurs just play the passing lanes, and in order to be truly effective, he must keep defenses honest by taking the onus and scoring the ball rather effectively.

I just dont see why everyone is so extremely dissapointed. Its easy to see we got nervous, and rooted back to the playing the way when we just recently acquired Shaq.

The basketball we played against the Spurs was efficient, and made use of our weapons, especially Shaq.

We just have to realize, we finally have the team that can win the championship.

We also have to realize that helter sketler basketball wont win games in the playoffs, where errors are very hard to correct.

The best teams in the league go to score through something efficient. This efficient answer is our two amazing post players.

Amare needs to learn how to be less dependent on Nash for offense.

Shaq needs to assume the role of leader on this team, and that means elevating his game and doing what he used to. Make the league fear him again, hes in the right situation to end his career, he cant spoil this.

[Go7enKs]

Hire Larry Brown. Kerr is from San Antonio and loves Pop. Larry Brown is Pop's mentor. It's only right that Kerr brings Larry in and teach Amare a thing or two about being a defensive player. It's the best thing for Amare. If Amare learns to play fundamental defense, he'd be a superstar. he'd be in the same breath as Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, James. It's his defense that puts him in a level below those guys.

Gimme a break. Larry Brown is not going to teach Amare defensive fundamentals. He doesn't have them and never will. He'll improve maybe, but never be a defensive stopper. And Larry Brown is not a good coach for this team, we all know that.

[dm17415]

This was a tough and disappointing loss. I just hope we avoid the sweep.

[co_laper]

Can i just ask why is that you think Larry Brown wouldn't be a good fit for this team? I understand that it might hurt the team offensively cause Larry's not a creative offensive coach.

I don't think Amare needs to be a defensive stopper like Garnett. But being in a good defensive system will teach him about being in the right spot and timing and things like that. If he can be a better weakside defender, that'll mean a lot.

[BurningHeart]

Because Larry Brown is a quitter? And we already have enough soft players who disappear when times are rough?