Randy Foye (and Brandon Roy)

[MN Die Hard]

Let's look at Randy Foye's April numbers. I know that's a very limited set of data to work with, but as a rookie he didnt play regularly early on, and this year he sat out three months. So its a bit skewed but bare with me.

Points - 18.4
Assists - 5.8
Rebounds - 3.0
FG - 46%
3P - 42%
3P made - 2.2
FTA - 1.8
FT - 89%
Steals - 1.1
Minutes - 36.1

Again, keep in mind that just April, but if you look at Brandon Roy's season the numbers are very similar.

My point is that next season, if Foye is healthy and plays a full season with regular minutes, then I'll agree to compare him with Roy. When given the opportunity, he'll put up similar numbers. If not, then the national media and other McHale bashers can trash that trade, but let's give it a chance. The way his numbers looked once he got rolling this season, it appears Foye and Roy might not be that far apart after all.

[PeeDee]

I think he very well could be.

[prefuse73]

Ironically, they would make an excellent backcour tandem if they played together......is Mayo Roy #2?

[revprodeji]

Prefuse, I have heard that as well. The thing with Mayo compared to Rose is that Mayo at 6'5 could defend the 2 and let Foye guard the 1. With Rose, Foye will be defending the 2. I think he can, but it would hurt a little bit.

For Mayo I have heard good things, I think he is the clear #3 in this draft and a steal if we get him in the 4-6 range.

[C.lupus]

Yeah, I'm liking the idea of a Foye-Mayo backcourt more and more. Probably means it won't happen.

[revprodeji]

hehe...nice

[john2jer]

Roy just has a sense of maturity and team leadership about him. Foye doesn't quite have that yet.

[MN Die Hard]

Roy just has a sense of maturity and team leadership about him. Foye doesn't quite have that yet.

No question. But will Foye get there? I think next year will reveal quite a bit about what we have in Randy Foye.

Roy's started 129 of 131 career games (36.7 minutes). By contrast, Foye's only started 43 of 121 (25.9 minutes).

Up until now nobody in their right mind would take Foye over Roy based on their first two years. I guess what I was trying to say in my original post, which I didnt do very well, is just that Foye has really shown some promise these past several weeks, and I'm excited to see what he'll do in a full season with 35 minutes per game.

[john2jer]

Also have to consider who they're playing for too, though.

Mike James looked amazing a couple years ago playing for a horrid Toronto team.

Roy is getting it done on a very talented, young, up and coming team. Right now, Foye's just getting it done once in awhile on a very bad team without a clear direction, yet.

[the_bruce]

I have no doubt in my mind that if healthy he can put up 18/4/6 for a full season.

The things I'd look for improvement on for Randy next season.

1) Draw more fouls. This is the difference between randy being a 15-18ppg player and a 20ppg player. Physically he's a beast compared to nearly every other PG in the league. In college he wa drawing ~5 fta per game. Last season he was drawing 2.3 per game in 22 mins. This season 1.7 fta in 33 mpg and that number i skewed because of one big game vs the clippers. Really he probably got to the line ~1.3 times per game if you disregard that game.

2) I wouldn't be to suprised if he put up dominant rebounding numbers for a pg. 3-4 doesn't seem to be a problem, but considering how much stronger he is than other PG's I wouldn't be shocked if he topped 5, but I think thats unlikely unless he starts taking it to the rack more.

3) I'm not sure what to make of his assist totals. I'm not sure if the Foye + Jaric Backcourt is helping or hurting him. I think his assist totals would be higher if a more traditional 2g were playing in place of Marco, in fact if you started brewer at the 2 his numbers would probably go up. Marco averaged just under 4apg in april. Marco probably helps in the w/l department, but I'm not sure he really helps the development of foye as the starting PG. Not to imply that Foye would have averaged his assist + marcos (~10apg) assist in april if he was the defacto floor general, and I can accept that defensively Marco may be the best guy we can throw at opposing sg's. The problem is that Jaric needs the ball in his hands to be remotely effective, not that he is gonna score, but he generally gets the ball to players in a good spot. I've actually debated this with myself a ton while watching games this season. It seemed to work ok, but I was luke warm to it. I would then throw my hands in the air and say "well sadly thats the best we got"

4) He's gotta put it all together. I have yet to see a game where I've seen him do everything he can do in a single game. I guess that's mostly because I expect he should make it to the line more and he hasn't really done that this year. Even in April despite his great play I expect more of him.

[Tor]

Roy just has a sense of maturity and team leadership about him. Foye doesn't quite have that yet.

Yeah, I definitely agree. That seems to be the "missing ingredient" when comparing the two. I think Foye could put up numbers like Roy someday, but Roy just has that leadership mentality that can't be taught.

Thankfully we don't need Foye to lead us though.

I have no doubt in my mind that if healthy he can put up 18/4/6 for a full season.

Yeah...that sounds about right. Also depends on who we draft though. Scoring might be lower than that if we go with Beasley or Mayo, and assists would be less with Rose on board.

[horaceworthy]

Also have to consider who they're playing for too, though.

Mike James looked amazing a couple years ago playing for a horrid Toronto team.

Roy is getting it done on a very talented, young, up and coming team. Right now, Foye's just getting it done once in awhile on a very bad team without a clear direction, yet.

The Blazers had a great run early on in the season, after which they faded.

The Timberwolves struggled mightily without Foye early on, then once he got back into the swing of things, they fared a little better.

Neither team was really playing for this season, and both teams closed out the season with a 10-13 record (and both went 3-7 in their last 10). Roy's better than Foye and the Blazers are better than the Wolves, but it isn't like comparing either this year's version of the Celtics or Lakers to this year's incarnation of the Heat.

[shrink]

The Blazers had a great run early on in the season, after which they faded.

Very true. Since Jan 21, the Wolves went 16-26 and the Blazers went 16-25

[deeney0]

^I can think of a few threads on the trade board I'd love to see that brought up in.

[revprodeji]

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Very true. Since Jan 21, the Wolves went 16-26 and the Blazers went 16-25

WOW, that is sig material.

[the_bruce]

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Very true. Since Jan 21, the Wolves went 16-26 and the Blazers went 16-25

Ya but...the wolves got destroyed by POR x2 since Jan, if memory serves me correctly.

The telling stat of how well the teams played would be games won/lost since then, minus the POR - MIN games, and the winning % of the teams they played.

[AZ BLAZER]

Also have to consider who they're playing for too, though.

Mike James looked amazing a couple years ago playing for a horrid Toronto team.

Roy is getting it done on a very talented, young, up and coming team. Right now, Foye's just getting it done once in awhile on a very bad team without a clear direction, yet.

Roy got drafted by a team that had just managed to win a whopping 21 games. Despite having the worst record in the league they could only manage the 4th pick in the draft. Their best player, Zach Randolph, was a black hole and team cancer. The second best player, Darius Miles was out with a microfracture surgery. The third best player is hugely hated in Minny.

Roy took over that team and made it a 32 win team, and now a 41 win team. That team was far, far, far from talented until he was drafted. To suggest otherwise is just being factually innacurate on purpose. Roy has made Portland what they are.

I hope for your sake Foye does become a player. But do you really need to feel good about your player by trying to disparage Roy? Trying to compare what Roy has done over an entire all-star season to what your player did in one tenth of a season is ridiculous. In the last 4-5 games Frye averaged around 17/11, does that get him mentioned in Dwight Howard company?

[shrink]

In my opinion, if the Blazers are going to keep patting themselves on the back for another non-wnnning season, they need to do it without disparaging the Wolves on the Trade Board who are going through the exact same process.

I'm TIRED of hearing how Al's "good numbers on a bad team" don't matter, but when Roy does the exact same thing his rookie year, then that's so relevent.

Wow -- 21 games to 32. So what seed in the play-offs does a 50 loss team get?

The Wolves and Blazers will both be better next year. All I ask is that Blazer posters apply the same yardstick.

[shrink]

The third best player is hugely hated in Minny.

Maybe I'm just forgetting, but who do you mean?

[john2jer]

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AZ BLAZER, I think you might be dumb, or lack the ability to read. I was actually complementing Roy and knocking Foye. Congrats, though.