Pullin a Philly

[Zubby]

^^ yea really hope each year McGrady makes us all regret doubting him but I now I just feel we should go ahead and just be done with it, cant stop the destiny of Mcgrady

Another dumb trade Mcgrady thread after a loss. So when we win on Tuesday because Mcgrady gets ANOTHER near triple-double I guess he can stay.

Tracy is the ONLY player in the west playing w/out another threat on his team. For that matter, every other top team has at least 3 all-star caliber players except the Rockets in this years playoffs.

All-star type players
1. Hou - Tracy ONLY
2. Utah- Derron Williams; Carlos Boozer; Andre Kirilinko; M.Okur
3. Lakers- Kobe; Odom; P. Gasol
4. Spurs- Duncan; T. Parker; M. Ginobilli
5. Suns- Amare; Shaq; S. Nash
6. Dallas- Dirk; J. Kidd; Josh Howard
7. Denver- Carmelo; Iverson; Camby
8. Hornets- Chris Paul; David West; T. Chandler; Peja
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EAST
1. Boston- Garnett; Ray Allen; Paul Pierce
2. Detroit-C.Billups; R.Hamilton; R. Wallace; T. Prince

IF the Rockets lose this series, I won't be that disappointed.
The Rockets should be commended for what they did when Yao
Ming -- the anchor of their entire team -- went out. 10 straight wins (22 in total), 55 wins overall and homecourt advantage for a series in the
toughest NBA Conference ever. Just because they played out of their
minds doesn't mean the bar should be raised on what they should
accomplish in the postseason. Let's face it -- when Yao went down, title
hopes were on hold until 2009.

Daryl Morey just needs to draft well and turn our expirings into a 3rd scoring option. Brooks, Scola & Landry will all be better next year w/ this experience. Thank you T-Mac for bringing us this far. W/out you, we'd be in the lottery and our young guys would not know how intense the playoffs are and what they need to work on in the off-season to rise to that level.

Really????
1st - of all if Shaq, Peja, Chandler, Odom, AK47 & Okur are considered all star caliber how is Battier not? we have seen Peja, Chandler, and West WITHOUT Paul and they are not allstar caliber; and in any case Listing the Pistons on just confirms my title (Pullin a Philly) Philly has NO all stars (maybe AI)
2nd - I wrote this post before we lost game 4 and have been an advocate of trading Mcgrady since the past two seasons, I really don't see how a dude who has energy problems at age 28 can make a strong push in the playoffs and he isnt getting any younger
3rd - I truly believe trading him would bring more confidence to our young team, to me 3 players in this league can at times create an awe factor on their team in which the rest of the players dont produce to their max because of having a guy on their team who has a rep. for being an offensive juggernauts; Kobe, AI, and McGrady.. look what happen in philly with AI, or Arsenal with Henry.
Lastly I just want to hear what everone thought of the upside of McGrady and for the most part I think most people think he is the key to our success...I just dont see how we can blame are role players.

[King Roosk]

First of all, Shane Battier is not an all-star caliber player on the offensive end.

Second, I disagree that AK47 is an all-star caliber player, but he's a very nice guy to have as your 4th option. Despite his age, Shaq is still one of the best centers in today's NBA. Tyson Chandler is also a top 10 center in the NBA. If we had any one of Peja, David West, or Odom to go alongside Yao and Mcgrady then we would be heavy favorites to come out of the west. Hell, if we had any one of those players against Utah then we'd probably win the series.

Third, we used to blame our role players...then we got better ones. That's why this team played so well this year. We got better role players, and even without a 3rd star we played extremely well in the 2nd half of the season. The problem now is that without Yao, our role players are put in a position to do more than they're capable of. Therefore, we need Yao.

[Zubby]

First of all, Shane Battier is not an all-star caliber player on the offensive end.

Second, I disagree that AK47 is an all-star caliber player, but he's a very nice guy to have as your 4th option. Despite his age, Shaq is still one of the best centers in today's NBA. Tyson Chandler is also a top 10 center in the NBA. If we had any one of Peja, David West, or Odom to go alongside Yao and Mcgrady then we would be heavy favorites to come out of the west. Hell, if we had any one of those players against Utah then we'd probably win the series.

Third, we used to blame our role players...then we got better ones. That's why this team played so well this year. We got better role players, and even without a 3rd star we played extremely well in the 2nd half of the season. The problem now is that without Yao, our role players are put in a position to do more than they're capable of. Therefore, we need Yao.

trade West, Peja, Odom, Chandler for Battier and we would not be the defense team we are, defense is just as import as offense... i mean really when was the last time HALF of the guys mention could take over a game(thats the definition of an all star) Shaq lead the heat to the worse record in the East, Peja, Chandler, West were in obscurity before CP3...in fact most of the guys are nothing without their superstar...in fact Scola is having just as much of an impact on our team as most of the players mentioned.
Sayin Tyson is a top 10 center isnt saying much i can't think of anyone worthy of mention after D. Howard, Duncan, and Yao... and come on Shaq? the dude was moved to PHX to guard Duncan...so much for that Duncan has his way against Shaq; Shaq can't move his bum to even step out on the shooter

[TMACFORMVP]

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trade West, Peja, Odom, Chandler for Battier and we would not be the defense team we are, defense is just as import as offense... i mean really when was the last time HALF of the guys mention could take over a game(thats the definition of an all star) Shaq lead the heat to the worse record in the East, Peja, Chandler, West were in obscurity before CP3...in fact most of the guys are nothing without their superstar...in fact Scola is having just as much of an impact on our team as most of the players mentioned.
Sayin Tyson is a top 10 center isnt saying much i can't think of anyone worthy of mention after D. Howard, Duncan, and Yao... and come on Shaq? the dude was moved to PHX to guard Duncan...so much for that Duncan has his way against Shaq; Shaq can't move his bum to even step out on the shooter

Please, your down-grading every one of those players.

Chandler is one of the top offensive rebounders in the league and one of the leagues better post defenders. CP3 doesn't enhance that. Obviously West relies on CP3's play-making skills, but that doesn't mean he's useless. He has a terrific mid-range game and a underrated back to the basket guy. One guy doesn't single handedly make him the 21/9 player that he is. Does CP3 makes his job easier? Sure, but he didn't give him all that skill that he has.

Peja even before CP3 was an all-star, hell he was an MVP candidate back when he was in Sacramento. He's declined since then but but he's always had big game ability.

Shaq didn't lead any team to the worst record, that's collectively just a horrible Miami team. Shaq was the 2nd best player on a championship team in Miami and been a double double machine with Phoenix.

Odom is one of the more underrated players in the league. His versatility allows you to have a lot of options. He's a double digit rebounder, above average scorer and a terrific ball handler and play-maker. He's one of the most unique players in the league.

And comparing us to Philly if we were to trade McGrady is stupid IMO. They finished the season UNDER .500 and still made the playoffs. If we were to trade McGrady, we wouldn't get results until 3-4 years after he's gone considering how much more competitive the West is. Hell it's going to get even tougher with Portland, Sacramento, Seattle and Minnesota primed to get better.

[Zubby]

^^Thats my point we still have Yao i guess it would be more like the Lakers than Philly and come on ur listing stuff Shaq and Peja did years ago, what happen when Webber got trade and Peja became the face of the Kings... Chandler gets more offensive rebounds cause they get more looks at the basket because of Chris Paul, and if Odom is underrated how is Battier not... I just really hate it when we downgrade are own players you and I know how big Battier, Scola are to our team, if Scola had more plays ran for him we would greatly benefit instead those shots become McGrady's ill advised long range jumpers, he is supposed to be a superstar only one other superstar is shooting as bad as him in these playoffs and that is Melo.

[Rocketsterps]

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Really????
1st - of all if Shaq, Peja, Chandler, Odom, AK47 & Okur are considered all star caliber how is Battier not? we have seen Peja, Chandler, and West WITHOUT Paul and they are not allstar caliber; and in any case Listing the Pistons on just confirms my title (Pullin a Philly) Philly has NO all stars (maybe AI)

2nd - I wrote this post before we lost game 4 and have been an advocate of trading Mcgrady since the past two seasons, I really don't see how a dude who has energy problems at age 28 can make a strong push in the playoffs and he isnt getting any younger

3rd - I truly believe trading him would bring more confidence to our young team, to me 3 players in this league can at times create an awe factor on their team in which the rest of the players dont produce to their max because of having a guy on their team who has a rep. for being an offensive juggernauts; Kobe, AI, and McGrady.. look what happen in philly with AI, or Arsenal with Henry.
Lastly I just want to hear what everone thought of the upside of McGrady and for the most part I think most people think he is the key to our success...I just dont see how we can blame are role players.

1st of all David West played in the ALL-STAR GAME THIS YEAR. 2nd Tyson Chandler is one of the best defenders/rebounders/shot-blockers/ double-double guys in the entire NBA. 3rd, Okur played in the ALL-STAR GAME LAST YEAR. 4th everyone knows Odom IS an all-star caliber player, your the 1st person I ever heard argue he wasn't. He recieved franchise money because of it. In addition, FLOPalinko played at an all-star level when Boozer was out and recieved franchise money also.

Battier is a great defender but he will never be an all-star. He's in the same class as Bruce Bowen (but better). Battier has never been a scorer and the point here is Tracy is the only star w/ no help w/ the scoring load in this years playoffs. Only a Tracy hater could argue he has offensive support. Bobby Jackson and Rafer jacking up 3's is a far cry from the other teams best offensive 2 and 3rd options.


As for "doing a philly" I'll pass. Doing a Philly gets you 11th place in the west next year. We won 55 games and you envy a below .500 team I listed Detroit & Boston and the 8 teams in the west because they were the only title contenders coming into the playoffs this year. Remember, Philly was under .500.

Finally, your point about trading T-mac will bring confidence to our young team. Confidence comes from success. I repeat, w/out T-mac we are a lottery team BIG TIME. Moreover, Portland (Greg Odom/Rudy Fernandez & Lottery pick) & the Clippers (Brand/Livingston & Lottery pick) will be in the mix next year. We cannot go backwards! We are very close to winning it all if we add depth and stay healthy. Despite what he said... IT'S NOT TRACY'S FAULT YAO KEEP'S BREAKING BONES.

[Rocketsterps]

Please, your down-grading every one of those players.

Chandler is one of the top offensive rebounders in the league and one of the leagues better post defenders. CP3 doesn't enhance that. Obviously West relies on CP3's play-making skills, but that doesn't mean he's useless. He has a terrific mid-range game and a underrated back to the basket guy. One guy doesn't single handedly make him the 21/9 player that he is. Does CP3 makes his job easier? Sure, but he didn't give him all that skill that he has.

Peja even before CP3 was an all-star, hell he was an MVP candidate back when he was in Sacramento. He's declined since then but but he's always had big game ability.

Shaq didn't lead any team to the worst record, that's collectively just a horrible Miami team. Shaq was the 2nd best player on a championship team in Miami and been a double double machine with Phoenix.

Odom is one of the more underrated players in the league. His versatility allows you to have a lot of options. He's a double digit rebounder, above average scorer and a terrific ball handler and play-maker. He's one of the most unique players in the league.

And comparing us to Philly if we were to trade McGrady is stupid IMO. They finished the season UNDER .500 and still made the playoffs. If we were to trade McGrady, we wouldn't get results until 3-4 years after he's gone considering how much more competitive the West is. Hell it's going to get even tougher with Portland, Sacramento, Seattle and Minnesota primed to get better.

Co-sign everthing you said. If we had David West or Tyson Chandler etc. we'd have a dynasty. I don't recall Scola being a 21/9 guy. I do recall West lighting him up though when we played. That being said I still love Scola's game. He's just not as good as West. Peja has had a great year, he did wonders for my fantasy league team w/ all his 3's. I wish Novak or Head was half as useful on the court as Peja.

[Zubby]

^^ West, Okur, AK47 got in to the all star game because of injuries (in West case being from NO helped greatly), and most people especially Laker fans said Lamar Odom was just a very good player with just a lot of potential, i mean come on his been the same player his whole career and you tell me how many times he has been trade... seems like each year his name is in trade talks, Odom got cut from Team USA, Battier made the cut, to me thats a higher achievement than the all star game... you dont win 22 games in a row on just luck, you call West underrated so is Battier; he is an underrated scorer, he is very efficient and if he got more plays call for him he would be an all star (maybe). and come on you listed Portland & Clippers as teams to fear, well tell me what have they done? Greg Oden & Rudy Fernandez the players u listed haven't even played a game in this league yet... and the Clippers they have more injury problems than we do. Brand & Livingston the players you mentioned... well for one Brand might not be there , and Livingston maybe the most injured player in the league.
I'd rather have a year of mediocrocy than one more of disappointment wouldn't your I mean thats 1/2 a decade of wasted talent... thats why I call it pullin a Philly and hell we would still have Yao meaning we probably wouldn't even have a big drop off.

[BaYBaller]

The interesting thing is that every single one of these 'trade T-Mac' threads always point to his inefficient scoring as if that's all he brings to the table. He is on the decline, and I agree he is not going to be the focal point of a championship caliber offense going forward.

I do expect big shake-ups in the offseason though. Last offseason much of the focus was the new coach. Now with a year under his belt I believe Adelman will be moving some key parts (Battier and Head come to mind). Battier is great but isn't a good fit in Adelman's system and that would free up the SF spot for T-Mac, which is what I feel is his natural position. If Battier can net us Mike Miller that could very well take us to the next level. Right now one of the team's biggest struggles on offense is making defenses pay on the weak-side of the defense. A tall, quick-trigger shooter like Miller would solve that.

[HTown_TMac]

The interesting thing is that every single one of these 'trade T-Mac' threads always point to his inefficient scoring as if that's all he brings to the table. He is on the decline, and I agree he is not going to be the focal point of a championship caliber offense going forward.

I do expect big shake-ups in the offseason though. Last offseason much of the focus was the new coach. Now with a year under his belt I believe Adelman will be moving some key parts (Battier and Head come to mind). Battier is great but isn't a good fit in Adelman's system and that would free up the SF spot for T-Mac, which is what I feel is his natural position. If Battier can net us Mike Miller that could very well take us to the next level. Right now one of the team's biggest struggles on offense is making defenses pay on the weak-side of the defense. A tall, quick-trigger shooter like Miller would solve that.

The thing is we might be able to get a Mike Miller without using Battier but using BJax contract and a young player and/or pick.. Make battier can get us a jefferson type if we just want to get rid of him (I don't)

[Zubby]

^^ yea i posted earlier what people thought if we trade Battier, BJax and young players to a team like NJ which could use his defense and try and get VC, he has been there and it hasn't worked out