Chicago as possible trade partner.

[darobster17]

If Nelly does return and the whatever player we get at #14th, I don't know if he will see any playing time under Nelly.

So under that assumption, why not deal the draft pick for someone that could give us some rebounding, shot-blocking and easy fast break points.

My proposed deal is to deal Harrington and Perovic to the Chicago Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and Drew Gooden. We might have to throw in our second rounder or future draft pick but still get to keep our #14th pick and get expiring contract in Gooden. Thomas I think could be a better fit and reminds me of Josh Smith/Marion type of player. Bellinelli becomes our sixth man.

If the W's are to makes strides as a team, they have to improve on the defensive end and get some athletic/physical type of players that are perfect for the uptempo style.

We use the Jrich TPE to get Duhon or better PG as our backup PG.

At #14th we take the best available player. I'd take Darrell Arthur or Donte Greene.

At #44th I'd take Joey Dorsey OR take a SG flyer like Sonny Weems/JR Giddens.

Duhon,Thomas and Gooden are going to provide more bench production than C.J.Watson,Barnes and Croshere.

BD/Duhon/Bellinelli
Ellis/Buki/Bellinelli/Weems or JR Giddens
SJAX/Thomas/Arthur or Greene
Gooden/Bwright/Arthur or Greene
Andre "Goose" Biedrins/Bwright/Dorsey

In terms of the free agent market I'd also like the W's to get Ryan Gomes.

[St.Nick]

Harrington for Gooden and Ty Thomas? I would love it. I just dont know if the Bulls would be so keen on giving up an expiring contract rebounder and a young lotto pick PF oozing with potential for Al "I have no legs" Harrington.

But I would be willing to throw in our 14 pick to make this deal go through. Perhaps Chicago could add their second round pick to even it all out a bit.

[TB]

well this trade doesn't happen without giving up the 14th, so count me out.

Gooden is only useful to teams that prefer dumb players over competent ones. Although his contract ends a year sooner than Al's... so he's got that going for him.

As for Thomas, i'm not a big fan. He does the things Wright does for us, only with much less fluidity. The guy is so lost out there that he relies solely on his athleticism to make an impact. Wright already looks more aware of whats going on than Tyrus does.

[gswhoops]

Of course we would do Al/Kosta for Tyrus/Gooden, Chicago never would though.

[Sleepy51]

Harrington for Gooden and Ty Thomas? I would love it. I just dont know if the Bulls would be so keen on giving up an expiring contract rebounder and a young lotto pick PF oozing with potential for Al "I have no legs" Harrington.

But I would be willing to throw in our 14 pick to make this deal go through. Perhaps Chicago could add their second round pick to even it all out a bit.

Asset wise this is a worthwhile trade. The only flaw is Gooden's monumental defensive stupidity. He has literally never made a successful defensive rotation, and would get benched by Nellie or perhaps murdered in his sleep by Dre who would get sick of getting dunked on by Gooden's man.

Make it a 3 way where we move Gooden on and bring back a smarter/older big, or a shooter to replace Al's 3ball and I'm in.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I can't imagine why Chicago would do this deal as proposed.

[St.Nick]

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Asset wise this is a worthwhile trade. The only flaw is Gooden's monumental defensive stupidity. He has literally never made a successful defensive rotation, and would get benched by Nellie or perhaps murdered in his sleep by Dre who would get sick of getting dunked on by Gooden's man.

Make it a 3 way where we move Gooden on and bring back a smarter/older big, or a shooter to replace Al's 3ball and I'm in.

Let me take a stab at it...

GS Trades
Al Harrington, Kosta, pick 14, Trade Exception
GS Receives
Chris Wilcox, Tyrus Thomas, Donyell Marshall


CHI Trades
Gooden, Ty Thomas, 2nd rd pick
CHI Receives
Al Harrington, Kosta, GS 1st rd pick (14)


SEA Trades
Chris Wilcox, Donyell Marshall
SEA Receives
Drew Gooden, CHI 2nd rd pick, GS Trade Exception (6M)


Seattle does it to get even further under the cap to sign FAs or make trades (pre-draft cap number after this deal is 42M), they also get a decent PF in an expiring contract and the ninth pick of the 2nd rd. Mainly its for signing FAs though (hopefully not one of ours!).


Chicago does it to get a better PF in Harrington over Gooden, as well as a re-do by trading Tyrus Thomas in exchange for the 14 pick. Kosta may be of some value as they are lacking in Centers, as evidenced by Aaron Gray getting minutes.


We, most importantly, get an experienced PF/C in Wilcox to help during Wrights second year development. We also get Donyell, somewhat of a 3pt specialist, who happens to be in the last year of his contract. Tyrus Thomas for the 14 pick is a risk worth taking, especially if we are looking for a big guy that can run and block shots. ***btw, if its more attactive, we could take either Watson or Ridnour as part of the deal rather than Marshall. The only downside is that both of these guys have a contract that runs one year longer than Marshalls does. Just thought Id throw that in there though**

Lineup
Baron/Monta/FA or 2nd rounder
Monta/Marco
SJax/DMarshall/Azubuike
Wright/T.Thomas/Cro
Andris/Wilcox/POB (haha, just kidding )


This second unit of Monta-Marco-Marshall-Thomas-Wilcox would be quite intruiging. Most interesting is that we would have 30M in expiring contracts next year and four very, very talented young guys on the squad between Monta, Andis, Wright, and Thomas...with a nice second tier of young guys with Marco and Kelenna.

[MightyReds2020]

I can't imagine why Chicago would do this deal as proposed.

+1

[Sleepy51]

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Asset wise this is a worthwhile trade. The only flaw is Gooden's monumental defensive stupidity. He has literally never made a successful defensive rotation, and would get benched by Nellie or perhaps murdered in his sleep by Dre who would get sick of getting dunked on by Gooden's man.

Make it a 3 way where we move Gooden on and bring back a smarter/older big, or a shooter to replace Al's 3ball and I'm in.

Let me take a stab at it...

GS Trades
Al Harrington, Kosta, pick 14, Trade Exception
GS Receives
Chris Wilcox, Tyrus Thomas, Donyell Marshall


CHI Trades
Gooden, Ty Thomas, 2nd rd pick
CHI Receives
Al Harrington, Kosta, GS 1st rd pick (14)


SEA Trades
Chris Wilcox, Donyell Marshall
SEA Receives
Drew Gooden, CHI 2nd rd pick, GS Trade Exception (6M)


Seattle does it to get even further under the cap to sign FAs or make trades (pre-draft cap number after this deal is 42M), they also get a decent PF in an expiring contract and the ninth pick of the 2nd rd. Mainly its for signing FAs though (hopefully not one of ours!).


Chicago does it to get a better PF in Harrington over Gooden, as well as a re-do by trading Tyrus Thomas in exchange for the 14 pick. Kosta may be of some value as they are lacking in Centers, as evidenced by Aaron Gray getting minutes.


We, most importantly, get an experienced PF/C in Wilcox to help during Wrights second year development. We also get Donyell, somewhat of a 3pt specialist, who happens to be in the last year of his contract. Tyrus Thomas for the 14 pick is a risk worth taking, especially if we are looking for a big guy that can run and block shots. ***btw, if its more attactive, we could take either Watson or Ridnour as part of the deal rather than Marshall. The only downside is that both of these guys have a contract that runs one year longer than Marshalls does. Just thought Id throw that in there though**

Lineup
Baron/Monta/FA or 2nd rounder
Monta/Marco
SJax/DMarshall/Azubuike
Wright/T.Thomas/Cro
Andris/Wilcox/POB (haha, just kidding )


This second unit of Monta-Marco-Marshall-Thomas-Wilcox would be quite intruiging. Most interesting is that we would have 30M in expiring contracts next year and four very, very talented young guys on the squad between Monta, Andis, Wright, and Thomas...with a nice second tier of young guys with Marco and Kelenna.

I can't get excited about Wilcox & Marshall. Wilcox is a 60% effort player. Nellie isn't going to mess around with a low motor big man. Marshall is crap.

Can you make it a 4 way and get someone else to take the garbage?

[St.Nick]

If we only played Wilcox situationally I would see it as an upgrade at backup PF and Center behind Brandan and Andris. Marshall is nothing to get too excited about but we could take on Watson or Ridnour (who would be a superb backup PG) if the FO was willing to pay for the extra year on their contract.

The main part of the deal is adding Ty Thomas and losing Harrington and his contract.

If this deal still isnt up to snuff we could forget the Sonics and try to turn Gooden into Chuck Hayes in a sign and trade + Bobby Jackson and his expiring deal.

Baron/BJax
Monta/Marco
SJax/Azu/T.Thomas
Brandan/Hayes
Biedrins/Cro/2nd rd pick

[Sleepy51]

1) Baron + Monta + Watson/Ridnour is going to be like 50 of your salary cap tied up at the PG position. Is Baron opting out in this scenario?

2) Wilcox is a bigger problem than you are envisioning. He is a LOW EFFORT player. What about Don Nelson make you think he's going to believe in and play a low effort big man who doesn't pass, turns the ball over a lot per touch, doesn't stretch the defense or bock shots (0.6 per game?)

Wilcox is a powerful body that looks GREAT on his two or three sportscenter highlights per season, but night in night out,he does not try hard. That won't work here, even in spot duty, because Nellie isn't going to give spot duty to a guy who isn't special and doesn't try hard.

Wilcox at backup PF is an upgrade for us because only in teh sense that we didn't use a backup PF last year. At backup C? Right now, you are getting more form overpaid, no legs Al Harrington.

You gotta get leaguepass and watch some of these guys when they aren't playing us. They look great against us becase we only play 1 big. The other 80 nights of the year they look like Harrington, but stoned.

[TB]

lets just trade Al to a team that has a disappointing postseason and might be looking to bring in a veteran difference maker in exchange for a first round pick.

suns 15th involving Diaw...

al, kosta for Nene, Klieza and swap our 2nd for their first rounder.

StackJack and Al for Battier, Bobby Jack, Head, 25th, 2010 first rounder.

Al, Kosta, 44th for Harpring, Price, Fessenko, Collins, 23rd.

just throwing out some options...

[Sleepy51]

We're not getting Battier, but Houston is a destination where I could see us getting solid trade value for Al. He's a good big to compliment Yao with a contrasting skillset.

[TB]

even getting Jack in return, you dont think Houston would give up battier? If someone could help TMac get to the second round its captain jack.

[Sid the Squid]

Most of the player's on the bulls roster have major flaws..That's one team I'm hoping the warriors stay clear of this summer.

[Chris Cohan]

I don't think Paxson has much more leash and he's already failed to do anything creative with great collateral before now. The Bulls may just resign Deng, select Westbrook, hire a coach, and call it a day.

Which might not be so bad.

[giberish]

I don't think Paxson has much more leash and he's already failed to do anything creative with great collateral before now. The Bulls may just resign Deng, select Westbrook, hire a coach, and call it a day.

Which might not be so bad.

Paxson's leash is likely short because he hasn't pulled the trigger on any moves (although at least some of that is Krause's luxury tax aversion). That should make him more eager to make some sort of splash this offseason. Of course adding Harrington isn't likely to be seen as the type of marquee addition Bulls fans have been hoping for after all of the KG, Gasol, etc., rumors.

[Chris Cohan]

Paxson and Mullin have a lot in common these days.

[giberish]

Paxson and Mullin have a lot in common these days.

Other than working for owners whose luxury tax aversion (dispite being relatively large market teams) limits their ability to put together the team that their fans want, I don't see that much similarity.

Mullin may not make blockbuster trades on a weekly basis, but the Baron trade, the Indy trade, and the JRich trade were all big deals and all deals that GS at least broke even if not won.

In a similar time period, Paxon got a great deal for Curry from Isiah, essentially traded Chandler for Ben Wallace, then made the directionless roster churn trade of Wallace/Smith for Hughes/Gooden. Since the Curry deal 3 (I think) years ago Paxon hasn't made any good deals and has seen a talented young roster fizzle out.

[Chris Cohan]

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Other than working for owners whose luxury tax aversion (dispite being relatively large market teams) limits their ability to put together the team that their fans want, I don't see that much similarity.

Mullin may not make blockbuster trades on a weekly basis, but the Baron trade, the Indy trade, and the JRich trade were all big deals and all deals that GS at least broke even if not won.

In a similar time period, Paxon got a great deal for Curry from Isiah, essentially traded Chandler for Ben Wallace, then made the directionless roster churn trade of Wallace/Smith for Hughes/Gooden. Since the Curry deal 3 (I think) years ago Paxon hasn't made any good deals and has seen a talented young roster fizzle out.

Mullin does not sign the really big checks to players anymore.
Paxson is at risk, too.