Vince Carter = Most Underrated All-Star

[ph1sh55]

This pumping up of carter reminds me of knicks fans gushing that they just acquired Zach Randolph "20 and 10, 20 and 10!"

[Serpo]

Well the difference with Carter is there's actually a big difference if he's in the lineup or not . He actually has an impact . Maybe even too much .

[HarlemHeat37]

I hope Vince dominates next year like some of the other VC fans have said in this thread..but is it going to happen? no, probably not..I've been hoping for it for a few years now..Carter is getting older and he simply won't give a consistent 100% every night..that just isn't him..he isn't Kobe, where losing actually hurts him..he's a fun guy that is enjoying life..I've learned to get over it and accept his decisions..

[telele]

Josh Howard is at home smoking a bowl laughing at you guys right now lol, I respect JJ but he's not better then VC also. VC get's all the attention from the other team double and triple teams hit him on a reg and he still puts up 25,5,5 year after year and this year with a ankle that needed surgery from the start of the year. Put Howard and JJ on a crappy team and coach as the Nets have and they would die. VC is the one of the best all around SG's in the NBA even on one leg. Kidd is a cancer and I hope he never makes the playoffs again, the nets will get 2 picks and have Devin Harris and 2 picks this season and make moves and VC will still be amazing from the start.

[Serpo]

If he keeps the desire and will he has shown since the responsibility has fallen to him untill next year he's going to have a great year. He allways hid behind Kidd and defered to him .

He can't do that anymore . He's now by far the most important player on the Nets and has to bring it every game .

Whatever happens this offseason i really hope the europe trip will help the Nets and Vince to become a decent team again.

[etopn23]

This pumping up of carter reminds me of knicks fans gushing that they just acquired Zach Randolph "20 and 10, 20 and 10!"

Except Carter is efficient (shoots at an excellent percentage) isn't turnover prone, isn't a liability on defense, and is near the tops in the league as far as +/- is concerned.

[ph1sh55]

While you may say he's not a defensive liability I do know the gameplan when Portland played the nets was to repeatedly exploit Vince on the pick and roll because he would not step out. After getting repeatedly abused New Jersey ended up having Kidd guard Roy (who did a much better job on him). I would call it a defensive liability when your SG cannot guard the opposing SG.

I'm not saying he's an atrocious player, but if the argument is that he's a superstar ala Kobe/lebron due to his box score prowess it's not an argument that is supported on the court. Kobe and lebron surrounded by inferior players have still dragged their teams into the playoffs. Vince has a reputation for breaking down in clutch situations..even when he's been a second fiddle..and clutch ability is often what seperates all star from superstar.

[Serpo]

Vince for some reason hasn't worked that hard on the defensive end with Kidd still here . Can't really say why but once Kidd was gone he really played decent individual defense . started running hard again and played with a chip on his shoulder .

I don't know my personal opinion is Vince doesn't play that well if you don't rely on him that much . He'll just coast too much if you don't give him a lot responsibility .

[HarlemHeat37]

I would love to see Vince as a #2 option on a good team right now..he's very unselfish and has one of the better all-around games in the NBA..I don't see how he wouldn't succeed..he would have to be with a player or coach that could get in his head and motivate him though..

[Mad Balla 15]

First of all I don't want anybody thinking I'm comparing Vince to Kobe/LeBron becaue anybody with a functioning brain knows that Vince is not on their level, their clearly superior to him. All I was trying to show in my initial post was that Vince was one of 3 players in the league to average 21/6/5 (on a bad ankle, at that) with the other 2 players being Kobe and LeBron.

Secondly this thread has really made me laugh because the fact of the names that are being thrown out there are jus proving my point that he's underrated. Ricky Davis? Zach Randolph? Please. Those guys have no impact on the game whereas Vince has a huge impact on the game. When Vince has an off game his team ussually loses, when he has a good game his team usually wins. For players like Ricky Davis, Zach Randolph, and even Josh Howard if they have good games it doesn't gaurantee succeess for their team. Vince has been the leader of his team in +/- pretty much every season he's played in this league and as someone mentioned he had the third highest +/- this season. Even last year and previous years he had a higher +/- than Kidd for the Nets.

HarlemHeat, I know how you feel since your a Vince fan and you want to see him dominate like a lot of Vince fans would like to see. But don't you think he had a great year 2 seasons ago when he posted 25/6/5 and led his team into the playoffs without a second scoring option (as RJ and Nenad were injured for most of the year)? Also the two previous season before that in NJ he posted 24/6/4 and 28/6/5 (in 57 games). I also would like to see Vince on a good team as a second option as there's no doubt in my mind that he would succeed. If Vince had the pleasure of playing with Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal he too would have some rings on his fingers.

[Ronaldo/dinho]

Might I add....Vince never played with an all-star big man his entire career. He always missed that big center piece that can rebound and be a defensive force. VC would be a great fit for Magic but thanks to their delusional GM this would probably never happen.

He really picked up his defense though like some already said on this thread and i'd like for him to keep this intensity till next season. I just never understood how such a nice guy get hated so much. Sometimes, I wished he never dressed up in those last 20 games with the raptors and never had done that interview with Thompson because this is where the hate started to get bigger and no matter what (us) VC fans try use logic and explain the situation it just falls on deaf ears...I'm sure Saad15 great post will also fall on deaf ear just watch some random guy come in, totally ignore it, and make another blatant attempt to discredit Vince as a wonderful basketball player.

[ChargerMan]

Once Vince gets hit hard he stops going to the rim for the rest of the game. I still have him as a top 10 SG in the league right now.

I would say I rate him about where he is, Josh Howard plays more the SF position ala Caron Butler but they both can still be considered wingmen. I have Carter prolly right around Monta Ellis, with Carter getting a huge nudge because Ellis plays little to no defense while being more efficient offensively so I say them to are right around 6-9

[HarlemHeat37]

[quote="Mad Balla 15"[

HarlemHeat, I know how you feel since your a Vince fan and you want to see him dominate like a lot of Vince fans would like to see. But don't you think he had a great year 2 seasons ago when he posted 25/6/5 and led his team into the playoffs without a second scoring option (as RJ and Nenad were injured for most of the year)? Also the two previous season before that in NJ he posted 24/6/4 and 28/6/5 (in 57 games). I also would like to see Vince on a good team as a second option as there's no doubt in my mind that he would succeed. If Vince had the pleasure of playing with Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal he too would have some rings on his fingers.[/quote]

ya definitely, I forgot what year Carter was putting up those numbers though..hopefully he gives the same effort that he gave us in the 2nd half this year, in 2008-09..

[bigballa3jj]

him in orlando with dwight howard would be nasty

[tsherkin]

I'll be back in this thread eventually, not running away. Just sorting out IRL crap. Definitely want to clarify my position, because people are clearly misinterpreting it.