Placing the burden/pressure on Bibby!

fo_o_fo_404 · Post #1 » by **fo_o_fo_404** » Thu May 1, 2008 5:17 am

Bibby was again outplayed by Rondo tonight.

Rondo had 12 pts, 7 assists and ZERO turnovers....again

Bibby had more turnovers (3), and assists (1). And has again disappeared when it mattered the most. He's only scored 6 points in the last 6 quarters.

In past, Woody has placed the burden to produce sqaurely on Joe Johnson's shoulders....but he can't do it alone. It starts and end with your PG, and Bibby, seems like to me, to be disinterested! The was a play right before halftime when there was a loose ball and all the other players around him dived on the hardwood to get the loose ball.....Bibby just stood there and looked at it! PATHETIC!

I need 35-45 points....15-20 assts...and no more than 5 TO's in the next two games from Bibby. Anything less....and he's failed our team/city miserably.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

CAM · Post #2 » by **CAM** » Thu May 1, 2008 5:38 am

Yeah, I'd much rather have Shelden Williams out there in the playoffs......

evildallas · Post #3 » by **evildallas** » Thu May 1, 2008 6:39 am

CAM wrote:Yeah, I'd much rather have Shelden Williams out there in the playoffs......

Creative use of sarcasm.

Yes, Bibby is being outplayed by Rondo. However, without Bibby we wouldn't be in the playoffs. I firmly believe that. Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue were not taking this team to the playoffs individually or together. If they were still here and by the grace of collapse of our opponents we managed to get to this series then we'd be talking about how Rondo is outplaying them.

I'm not trying to lighten the pressure on Bibby, but sometimes you have to acknowledge weaknesses and game plan around them. The key against Rondo is that he needs to play off him enough to stay in front of him. I'll take Rondo popping shots all night rather than have him penetrate and get other players involved. The odds say he won't hit them all (especially on the road like Friday).

On the offensive end I don't have an answer. Rondo is a good defensive PG and Bibby isn't going to get by him enough to matter. Their defensive weak link is Ray Allen no matter who he is guarding. Bibby's chance to make an impact is to shoot if Rondo wanders or making himself available as a outlet then pass it on when rotation comes. The only other thing I can think of is to use Rondo's aggressiveness against him and try to get him in foul trouble because without him on the floor I think they are far less fluid offensive and more exploitable on defense. That really requires a tightly reffed game in order for that to really happen which is out of our hands.

Woodson and Bibby should be able to figure out a way to be effective against Rondo either directly or indirectly. Saying he simply needs to step up sounds like Doc Rivers talking to Ray Allen as he d's up Joe Johnson in Game 4, some things just aren't that easy.

JoshB914 · Post #4 » by **JoshB914** » Thu May 1, 2008 6:46 am

Bibby is not shooting the ball well, but when we're on the road Smoove and Marv can't hit jumpers to save their lives. It makes it very hard for our backcourt to get any separation from the defense.

D21 · Post #5 » by **D21** » Thu May 1, 2008 10:40 am

We can blame Bibby for his only 1 assist, but if Marvin and Josh don't hit a shot...
But I agree he should be playing better on the road, especially because of all the playoffs games he already played.

conleyorbust · Post #6 » by **conleyorbust** » Thu May 1, 2008 1:35 pm

D21 wrote:We can blame Bibby for his only 1 assist, but if Marvin and Josh don't hit a shot...
But I agree he should be playing better on the road, especially because of all the playoffs games he already played.

Smith and Horford managed to get 8 assists between them...

I don't blame him for not beating Rondo one on one, but he wasn't taking shots one on one, he was missing open jumpers.

Like I've said many times before, we knew the book on Mike Bibby when we traded for him: terrible defender, mediocre passer, and increasingly streaky shooter. However he was probably the best we could get considering and his presence, if nothing else, gave Woody the confidence to open up the offense a little bit and let the guys push the pace.

Obviously the big problem with Bibby is that he has trouble being productive if he isn't consistently hitting his jumper because he isn't going to collapse the defense by penetrating so he has to make the D respect his J to draw the help and find the open man.

On the bright side, I don't remember seeing Acie that composed since college. Even with the busted hand, he did a great job keeping his dribble alive right through the teeth of the Boston D. In fact, I have no clue why he didn't play more... he has outplayed Bibby in all the road games.

Mike seems to play better at home though so hopefully that continues because we are a better team when he is performing and thats what we brought him here for.

As far as him being the reason we are here, doesn't really matter to me. I get pissed when Smith does stupid stuff, I got pissed at Joe for being invisible for the first half of the season, I get pissed at Marv for being useless, I get pissed when Horford isn't aggressive enough or gets lost on a screen, I think I should be able to get pissed when our most experienced and "playoff proven" player disappears in the playoffs. He wasn't any more important to the team than Joe, Josh, Al, or Josh and none of them get a free pass.

tontoz · Post #7 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 1, 2008 1:41 pm

Other than sometimes getting hot and making open jumpers there is nothing that Bibby does well. He doesn't create off the dribble for himself or others. He doesn't pass well. I don't think i have ever seen a pg jump to pass as often as Bibby. And he can't play D.

He might as well be a 6 foot Kyle Korver that is in a slump.

reazun · Post #8 » by **reazun** » Thu May 1, 2008 2:31 pm

im sorry, i have to go with 404 on this one. Bibby was straight sorry last night. He has to step it up, and its more than Rondo playing well against him. Alot of those mistakes were unexcusable. In the playoffs every possession counts. You cant throw the ball away like that, you have to dive for loose balls. We cant get momentum going when that stuff happens. Id say the pressure is on Bibby too. I dont care that we gave up next to nothing for him. Im not saying it wasnt a good trade. But I am saying that he needs to perform like the pg that he is supposed to be, he is a key component to our team and he only had one good game so far this series. Hes been streaky since we got him, I wish he was more consistent. So im rooting for him, and I hope he steps it up Friday and then on game 7.

gsuteke · Post #9 » by **gsuteke** » Thu May 1, 2008 2:53 pm

Sac fans warned us.

Bibby will have a good game and you'll remember why you love Bibby. Then there's the other 70% of the games he plays stinking up the joint.

I'll dig up the post. The dude wasn't hating on us in hindsight, he was dead on.

conleyorbust · Post #10 » by **conleyorbust** » Thu May 1, 2008 3:12 pm

gsuteke wrote:Sac fans warned us.

Bibby will have a good game and you'll remember why you love Bibby. Then there's the other 70% of the games he plays stinking up the joint.

I'll dig up the post. The dude wasn't hating on us in hindsight, he was dead on.

I think most of us knew this when we were debating which point to go after earlier in the season.

He shot 40% from the field for last season, he shot 40% from the field before he came here. He posted 4.7 assists last season, he posted 5 assists before he came here. He has never been a good defender.

Its all on the stat sheet. We knew what we were buying, its just frustrating that we had to make that move in particular. Now the playoff implosion was unexpected but the general streakiness shouldn't have been.

Rip2137 · Post #11 » by **Rip2137** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:34 pm

The problem is simple. he got to Atlanta and looked to pass and make assist. He had 5-6 assist in the first quarter in Atlanta in game 3 because he wasn't even looking for his shot. To stop that, boston stepped off him in game 4 and he hit his shots in the first half. then in the second half it was back to playing point when they stepped up.

The problem? when he got back to Boston it was "me must score" again instead of just looking to make plays. You are the POINT guard. Play the point.

JoshB914 · Post #12 » by **JoshB914** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:43 pm

I think Bibby was looking to pass again in Boston. He only took 8 shots. Unfortunately he is fairly easy to guard when he can't hit a wide open shot. It is very frustrating to watch him right now.

JoshB914 · Post #13 » by **JoshB914** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:45 pm

Speaking of missing open shots, Marvin Williams needs to man up and knock down that open jumper again. He missed at least three of them last night.

Rip2137 · Post #14 » by **Rip2137** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:48 pm

He needs to pass them up and go to the rim strong and stop Zaza-ing it on the way. they obviously aren't going to give you the call, so go strong.

Although with the way they are calling offensive fouls on us in the series, I don't know about that either.

Harry10 · Post #15 » by **Harry10** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:53 pm

assist don't matter, turn overs don't matter, defense doesn't matter.... the only thing that matters with Bibby is his shooting percentage. i have been saying this since the trade.

conleyorbust · Post #16 » by **conleyorbust** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:55 pm

Rip2137 wrote:He needs to pass them up and go to the rim strong and stop Zaza-ing it on the way. they obviously aren't going to give you the call, so go strong.

Although with the way they are calling offensive fouls on us in the series, I don't know about that either.

We can't have all of our players going to the rim and Marv is supposed to have a good J, if he has an open shot created by someone else' penetration he needs to be able to hit it.

JoshB914 · Post #17 » by **JoshB914** » Thu May 1, 2008 5:06 pm

Marvin was the weak link last night. I'm not saying we would have won, but everyone but him and Bibby played with a good deal of poise. If Marvin isn't hitting that open jump shot he is completely worthless.

tontoz · Post #18 » by **tontoz** » Thu May 1, 2008 7:20 pm

JoshB914 wrote:Marvin was the weak link last night. I'm not saying we would have won, but everyone but him and Bibby played with a good deal of poise. If Marvin isn't hitting that open jump shot he is completely worthless.

Childress was 2-8 from the field for 5 pts. He is averaging only 5.8 ppg in the series. Pathetic.

Rip2137 · Post #19 » by **Rip2137** » Thu May 1, 2008 7:22 pm

tontoz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Childress was 2-8 from the field for 5 pts. He is averaging only 5.8 ppg in the series. Pathetic.

You have got to be kidding

betta1 · Post #20 » by **betta1** » Thu May 1, 2008 7:29 pm

True Tontoz, but he's also averaging 6 rpg, 1 blk and shooting 50% despite last night's 2-8.

Marvin is averaging under 40% from the field, only at 3.4 rpg, and getting 2.2 TOs to Chilz's .40 TOs per game.

If there was one word to describe Marvin's game it would be lethargic. And I'm saying this despite liking the guy and obviously hoping he can still turn it around and become a factor for our team one day that justifies him being a lotto pick, much less a #2 overall selection.