Official NBA Draft Lottery Discussion Thread II

Post #301 » by **DayofMourning** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:01 pm

In reference to Wade's wants, Pat said that he'll do what's best for the team when told of Wade's preference.

As long as we get a top two pick, I'm happy.

Flash4thewin · Post #302 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:11 pm

"I think Wade implying that he wants Derrick Rose has more bearing on the Heat's decision than you Beaslers think."

Remember how Kobe wanted Kidd.... how did that end up?
Look at all the playoff success Kidd was suppose bring the Mavs.....

HIF · Post #303 » by **HIF** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:42 pm

What's with the Kidd hate?

He is at the end of a fantastic career. The guy is one of the greatest PGs ever to play the game. Even now at his age he still puts up more triple doubles in a season than some PGs will do in their careers.

I'm not cheering on the Mavs but I'd have like to have seen Kidd get a championship in a season when the heat did nothing.

He's a certain HOF

Flash4thewin · Post #304 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:24 pm

There no Kidd hate, he went from a team that matched with his strengths to a team where his flaws are magnified. Pg are only as good as there surrounding talent and what scheme they play in. The Kidd Kobe comment was to point out players dont always know whats best for the team. If the lakers would have traded for Kidd they wouldn't be the contender they are now.

SmushedPennies · Post #305 » by **SmushedPennies** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:39 pm

I'm sure if the organization felt strongly one way they could talk Wade out of wanting Rose instead of Beasley.

Please don't refer to me as a "Beasler", as I've been in love with Rose since the day after last year's draft. I actually still prefer Rose overall as a player, but I think it just makes too much sense to draft Beasley, given the choice.

CoolD · Post #306 » by **CoolD** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:27 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:"I think Wade implying that he wants Derrick Rose has more bearing on the Heat's decision than you Beaslers think."

Remember how Kobe wanted Kidd.... how did that end up?
Look at all the playoff success Kidd was suppose bring the Mavs.....

The West is really good. 90 percent of the teams in the NBA will have a hard time playing against the Hornets.

You also forgot to mention, that he is going up against a better pointguard in Chris Paul.

DeJuanderful · Post #307 » by **DeJuanderful** » Thu May 1, 2008 6:17 am

A couple years ago, Bosh REALLY wanted the Raptors to select Aldridge with the #1 pick. Bosh had been training and playing pickup ball with Aldridge in Texas, and the two had gotten an excellent rapport. He lobbied, begged, and pleaded with that team to pick Aldridge. They took Bargnani.

Sometimes, it's best to listen to your superstar.

Now, Bosh is not really happy in that situation; AND he becomes a free agent in 2 years. The very same year that the Heat have beaucoup salary cap space.

If Wade wants Rose, give him Rose. Wade, Bosh, Rose, & perhaps Marion is a great nucleus.

HIF · Post #308 » by **HIF** » Thu May 1, 2008 8:13 am

we can dream

Vertical Limit · Post #309 » by **Vertical Limit** » Thu May 1, 2008 1:22 pm

Rose is a great prospect; the potential he has at the point guard position is sky high. Only thing is, he's not a point guard, atleast not yet.

Coming from a free for all offense that is Memphis, Rose has never played the true point guard position unless it was to run the fast break. Other than that, he's been a 2 more than he's been a 1.

Tyreke Evans is going to Memphis next season and is suppose to be the point guard next season, and his potential as a point guard is much greater than Rose, but I'm afraid that free for all offense may hold him back from polishing his game as well.

Rose was not coached at the position. He's very athletic, and an excellent finisher. He does have some flaws though; very average borderline 70% free throw shooter; his jump shot is suspect and his 3 point range is not that great as well, shooting just a tad over 33%.

Again, I'll mention, he is not a point guard, yet. He has never been asked to run an offense, as in setting up his teammates or making that great pass with his vision. He's been labeled as a point guard because of his size, being 6'3 with shoes. But the 2 is his natural position.

All of that said, this is why I believe although the potential of him being a great point guard is there [it will need a TON of coaching and polishing], he has not sold me as a point guard that can run an offense, which wouldn't make sense to draft him. The only similiarities he has with Jason Kidd is his defense.

Don't tell me he's the next Deron Williams, Kidd, or Chris Paul because you haven't seen it, I haven't seen it, no one has seen it. He's an undersized shooting guard at the moment.

CoolD · Post #310 » by **CoolD** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:24 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:Rose is a great prospect; the potential he has at the point guard position is sky high. Only thing is, he's not a point guard, atleast not yet.

Coming from a free for all offense that is Memphis, Rose has never played the true point guard position unless it was to run the fast break. Other than that, he's been a 2 more than he's been a 1.

Tyreke Evans is going to Memphis next season and is suppose to be the point guard next season, and his potential as a point guard is much greater than Rose, but I'm afraid that free for all offense may hold him back from polishing his game as well.

Rose was not coached at the position. He's very athletic, and an excellent finisher. He does have some flaws though; very average borderline 70% free throw shooter; his jump shot is suspect and his 3 point range is not that great as well, shooting just a tad over 33%.

Again, I'll mention, he is not a point guard, yet. He has never been asked to run an offense, as in setting up his teammates or making that great pass with his vision. He's been labeled as a point guard because of his size, being 6'3 with shoes. But the 2 is his natural position.

All of that said, this is why I believe although the potential of him being a great point guard is there [it will need a TON of coaching and polishing], he has not sold me as a point guard that can run an offense, which wouldn't make sense to draft him. The only similiarities he has with Jason Kidd is his defense.

Don't tell me he's the next Deron Williams, Kidd, or Chris Paul because you haven't seen it, I haven't seen it, no one has seen it. He's an undersized shooting guard at the moment.

All I can say, you are full of it. Derrick Rose is a pure pointguard. Is like saying Magic, or even or Deron Williams are not pointguards do to their size.

I wouldn't compared him to Chris Paul, neither Kidd, he is faster version of Deron Williams that needs to improve his shot though, but he is 19 years old, so am sure he will.

If you can see the guy is pure pointguard, you are going to be awfully suprised, how bad you are at scouting talent.

HIF · Post #311 » by **HIF** » Thu May 1, 2008 4:35 pm

CoolD, are you on a personal crusade?

You've made your point, you don't have to reply to every Rose post.

Vertical Limit · Post #312 » by **Vertical Limit** » Thu May 1, 2008 5:05 pm

Hypocritical comment as far as "bad at scouting talent". Oh yes, you're a genius. /end sarcasm

A player with a suspect jump shot, borderline free throw shooting, and poor three point shot, hasn't shown any vision or qualities as far as setting his teammates up and has never even played PG unless it was to run on the fast break.

Great athleticism, excellent finisher, couldn't hit a jumper to save his life. Yeah, that reminds me of a 6'4 shooting guard in the Final 4 out of Marquette a few years back.

Will see if Rose can become the next Rajon Rondo first before you name him as a pure point guard, or Deron Williams, which he's not, atleast not yet. As of now, his natural position is the 2.

JNichols42887 · Post #316 » by **LEIF** » Thu May 1, 2008 9:17 pm

point guard in the truest sense of the word. His development in this area has been phenomenal in the past 2 years (which is apparent when you read his profile from a year and a half ago)